feel free to pay homage

[Ziggo]

ZX-6R, me too. (thumb) My goal is to take the car to the same track (road corse and/or strip) as I run with the bike and see which I can do better on. This particular track (road portion) is pretty balanced between cars and bikes. An RX-8 with a decent driver runs about as fast as a decent rider on a ZX-6R on this track. A really good rider can beat a car, though, but I'm FAR from that.

I only ran the drag once on the 6r (1996), I ran the Ex-500 twice. The 6r was -1t on the front, and the ex was about topped out towards the end of the quarter. I ran a 13.8@98 on the ex and a 12.6 @ 107 on the zx-6r. Awful times really.

 

[sleeper3]

Hey did you remove your spare and s*** from the trunk or run stock?

I removed the spare from the back, yes.

 

[sleeper3]

I think people are confusing Traction control and Dynamic Stability Control.

Traction Control applies to the drive wheels (in this case the fronts) and reduces throttle when it detects slipping.

(in some cars without an LSD traction control applies the brake to the tire that is spinning faster, thus balancing the load and helping power get transfered to the tire with traction this is also known as traction control though the purpose and methodology are somewhat different)

Dynamic Stability Control attempts to keep the rear wheels following the front wheels by applying the brakes to specific wheels thus helping to aviod spinouts. I don't know the exact specifics of how it works, but it wouldn't be too hard to figure out.

I have never heard of the trick people are talking about but it is possible that doing it turns Traction Control Off, while leaving DSC on.

Nice times, I don't drag the MS3 because it is just a bit depressing after coming from motorcycles, but that is between what I used to run with my EX500 and my ZX-6R, so it is certainly moving fast for a car.

there are always bikes there running 9s that look like they just have a longer swingarm. I'm sure they have more work done than just that, but it's still pretty freaking crazy.

 

[sleeper3]

I found one of the threads where several people tested and talked about it.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123686624

I want to see someone log runs with everything on, the dsc off and then the dsc/tc off. if that is really what it is doing.

 

[sleeper3]

I really need to just break down and buy a dashhawk.

 

[Shane5425]

honestly, i dont see a differance with stock tires.. if you have it on, it detects slipage and pulls timing to reduce it, if you have it off, you spin tires and keeping moving (depending on how bad of slippage) and get out with the same time.. just you spin tires more..

if you have a set of really sticky tires, then i could see a differance with it on or off.. i think mazda has balanced it out with stock setup.

 

[sleeper3]

are you talking about the DSC or the TC?

I notice a huge difference on the runs I accidentally leave the DSC on. not as bad as it was with my 350z, but it still feels terrible when it's intervening.

 

[Shane5425]

Tracktion control,

DSC is only supposed to help when the car is slipping sideways at speeds greater than 12 mph, so says the manual..

 

[sleeper3]

well, I think that when I turn my DSC off on my car, the traction control is being turned off also, as I can do an endless burnout without a problem. maybe other people are experiencing something different.

 

[Shane5425]

might, i know in mine, i can break them loose with just dsc off, but not as much when both are off, (when you starte the car when holding the button is the only way both are off..)

i think what most people experiace is wheel hop off the launch , not wheel spin, dsc and tc cant do much for that.. need stiffer motor mount..

 

[sleeper3]

I have the mount.

I'm not sure why anyone would want more wheel spin.

 

[Shane5425]

dunno, i just leave the s*** on.. but i do need a better motor mount.. it hops like a b**** on launch

 

[mckraut]

So it appears there is a difference in the two procedures. Good to know.

Sleeper, I mirror your feelings on a Dashhawk. Would be nice to have around.

 

[sleeper3]

dunno, i just leave the s*** on.. but i do need a better motor mount.. it hops like a b**** on launch

mine still hops a lot.

 

[sleeper3]

So it appears there is a difference in the two procedures. Good to know.

Sleeper, I mirror your feelings on a Dashhawk. Would be nice to have around.

I'm wondering what the AP's logging will look like. if it does the same thing, I'm just going to get that.

 

[Shane5425]

Listen up:

The car behaves completely different from one mode to the next.

This is no hoax, and I don't know why Mazda in their infinite wisdom (did I mention my F-ing engine fell out of my car!!?!) chose to do it this way, but if you drive the car in each mode, it will become apparent to you, too.

Take the car out to a race track and try each mode. A couple have tried this, and discovered the car is faster on the "full off" mode compared with the other two. Why? I assume its because the "full off" mode provides ZERO computer intervention compared with the other two, and as such you can rotate the car around and get it to slide around a bit, which is beneficial on a closed-course race track.

To reiterate:

Leaving all systems nominal from KOEO (Key On Engine On), you have full traction control, as well as full dynamic stability control. Both of these can be proved to be functional by either trying to spin the tires, or by pulling the E-brake. You'll quickly notice that the car is in control of YOU.

Press the DSC switch while the car is running, and you'll now have traction control removed from the game. You can spin the tires at will, and the car will not intervene. However, you if you pull the E-Brake during this mode, the car will regain control. As will it if you pull an aggressive trail-brake maneuver.

Now, with the car fully off, press the DSC button before turning the key and starting the car, and release shortly afterward. With this mode, all nannies are off, and you could easily spin the car if that was your wish through maneuvers. The tires will spin at will, and the brakes independent of each side of the car don't do what the DSC system tell them to. The system is fully disabled.

all is exlplained...

 

[sleeper3]

anyway here is my timeslip if anyone is still interested.

 

[ericrapp]

very reasonable?

I wasnt trash talking just saying A: Great time B: Your 60 could use improvement thus increasing your already good 1320'. Thats it.

That is an excellent 1/4 time, I hope I can do as well this summer. The car is hard to get off the line imo without dedicated tires, but the car sure will pull third and fourth nice. Sleep, your times are going to continue to improve! Tell me how you got her to do 2.000. i think that is a common goal and that can be beat by the more dedicated. If I can achieve that on the Nitto's I will be delighted! I guess I will challenge you. First one to hit the 0-60 at two seconds buys the other a beer. Yes? goodfun

 

[MS3077]

That is an excellent 1/4 time, I hope I can do as well this summer. The car is hard to get off the line imo without dedicated tires, but the car sure will pull third and fourth nice. Sleep, your times are going to continue to improve! Tell me how you got her to do 2.000. i think that is a common goal and that can be beat by the more dedicated. If I can achieve that on the Nitto's I will be delighted! I guess I will challenge you. First one to hit the 0-60 at two seconds buys the other a beer. Yes? goodfun

My 60ft on my 13.97 run was 2.07 on the tires listed in my sig

Anybody wanna pay homage?

 

[sleeper3]

a 2.000 60' would be super impressive on stock rubber... I think MAYBE it's possible. I still haven't hit a perfect launch. I am sure I could get it down a tenth, MAYBE two, but it would be stretching it. my strength is the rest of the track.

I'll pay homage to anyone with a 2.0xx 60' time!

(rei)