ProtegeGarage.com Intake Manifold installed!

[CustomMSP]

Yo!

Alright, we installed one of these in 97DXprotege's car and are very satisfied with the result. We ended up using the actual 626 EGR pipe and everything fit ok except that the bracket holding it to the head did not line up. However, that's not a big deal at all, and we just used the coolant line bracket to hold it to the head. There's a lot more room behind the engine with this manifold, and it's a lot lighter than the original protege manifold. The fuel rail is only held on to the manifold with two bolts instead of the four on the original, but it's on tight. We just connected one of the two vacuum solenoids, the VTCS one, to keep the ECU from freaking out. The VICS solenoid doesn't need to stay connected. With 3xK miles on the car his EGR valve looked clean. When the car was started it idled well, but when given gas it would stumble for a sec. We believe that the ECU just needed a little time to learn. After it warmed up it was ok. We'll give it another day to make a conclusion. It might be the "cold idle" issue that people experience with the VTCS removed. Otherwise, the car runs great and the gains can definately be felt. The car sounds deeper as well. I'll Marko fill in the rest as he's the one that drives the car daily. Post some pics up if you want as well Marko.

Later!
Anatoly

 

[03.5MSP]

Like Anatoly said the manifold is great and the gains can be felt. It spools up faster, and the car pulls nice and strong from midrange to top end. Again the only issue we came across was the stumble when the car was cold. Ill update if this happens again.

Ill post up more pics later, of the new manifold.

 

[03.5MSP]

After driving the car for a day it felt to get faster and faster. The only issue is the cold start. The car does hesitate/stumble but mainly when in neautral and and trying to rev. When driving its not bad at all, and once the car warms up there are no issues at all, no cel. I would deff recommend this manifold to any MSP owner.

 

[210_ZOOM]

I recently installed this.....I have noticed the stumble, stall at cold start....If i put the heater on immediately it will stall....also i have stalled once or twice shifting hard out of first and then coasting neutral to stop sign. I am extremely impressed though with benefits. More HP, spools quicker like 300rpms quicker....much louder, reduced turkey sound. Overall i should have done this years ago, i do think this impacted the gas mileage (not worried though) more power

 

[03.5MSP]

I'm glad to see Im not the only one experiencing the cold start issue. But I think its worth it for the gains.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

good to hear the positive comments guys, the cold idle does not surprise me so much. the stock ECU with the solenoids plugged in will be looking for those VICS/VTCS butterflies and the air/fuel mix will be affected as such. let me know how things progress with these.

thanks
Ken

 

[03.5MSP]

Here are pics of the new manifold.

 

[benben84]

will running a standalone ems get rid of the cold start issue?

 

[Blitzd]

IS THERE any way that you could post a pic of that egr pipe. I have the manifold but I believe the wrong pipe.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

will running a standalone ems get rid of the cold start issue?

if tuned properly yes it will. i would say the existing ECU will in time learn around it somewhat as well.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

IS THERE any way that you could post a pic of that egr pipe. I have the manifold but I believe the wrong pipe.

pm sent

 

[JCell]

yeah, removing the VTCS seems to create idle problems in certain protege's, i'm hopefully will be able to switch with an MP3 to see if that solves the problem

 

[CustomMSP]

It's weird that my MSP never had this problem after I removed the VTCS. Marko and I pretty much run the same setup. I see you changed all the vac lines hehe. Good job.

 

[funktownp5]

After driving the car for a day it felt to get faster and faster. The only issue is the cold start. The car does hesitate/stumble but mainly when in neautral and and trying to rev. When driving its not bad at all, and once the car warms up there are no issues at all, no cel. I would deff recommend this manifold to any MSP owner.

I also have had the car stumble/die on a cold start, but it has only happened

3-4 times since i installed it 8 months ago. Also 97Pro did you get your

manifold ported?

 

[smo0f]

i dont have either vics or vtcs and i dont have problems with idle or cold start. only issue (if it is considered one) is that my wideband02 readings are fluctuating between 14.6 to 15.3 at idle. Not sure if that's normal. Kooldino's reading is a solid 14.7. Then again, he has a mp3 (mpi tuned) and i have a msp (stock msp ecu)

 

[PR5Matt]

The cold start issue would not be a problem with an NA car and an MP3 ECU. Of course, you guys can't go that route. Wish someone would test it on a cammed NA application. I would like to volunteer Captain KRM P5.

 

[FL_PR5]

sure this has been asked in other threads, but do you know anyone with it just on a NA car? if i purchase it will i loose more power than gained, or about the same gains? thanks. i just don't want to buy it and not do that great of a difference for the amount of money.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Of course, you guys can't go that route. Wish someone would test it on a cammed NA application. I would like to volunteer Captain KRM P5.

i do not have a cammed N/A p5, i have a turbo p5. unless you meant "i would like to volunteer, captain krm p5"

 

[03.5MSP]

I also have had the car stumble/die on a cold start, but it has only happened

3-4 times since i installed it 8 months ago. Also 97Pro did you get your

manifold ported?

No, I didnt get my mani ported, all I did was just clean the ports with my dremel.

 

[TheMAN]

NO problems with cold start idle with FS-ZE cams, FS-ZE intake manifold, and VERY original non-MP3 non-turbo ECU (unflashed, no rattle fix) here.... sometimes it will be surging/hunting idle for 30 seconds after cold start.... after that it's fine and it's drivable