Honda part on a Mazda?

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

More info on the FM bercharger can be found on our website

Keith

Okay, so you have sold me on FM (more so than I was per recommendations).

Now the deliberation on turbo vs. SC continues...

Thank you for the info Keith.

AND it's coldside! Nice.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

p.s. My MSP @ 11psi would outrun a T3 turbo'd miata on the drag strip. The old fart driving it didn't know what hit him.

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Oh, that's DAN's car! I know him from the Austin miata club. I haven't talked to him since way before I moved to kentucky.

So his is the prototype, eh? Sweet. I knew he was trying a new SC, but I didn't know it was FM's. I did hear that he really liked it and placed well at Nationals with it.

Well, I'm sold.

Must...resist...urge to....buy now....:'(

 

[Keith@FP]

Keith, your "ubercharger" puts out impressive peak numbers. One thing to notice though is the power curves for the JRSC. Look at how flat it is from start to finish. Your power curve is more like a turbo with little to no increase on the bottom end but a hefty increase up top.

Umm, what dyno chart are you looking at? On chart 1, the BLUE line is the Uber. Do you need to see a comparison to stock? The stock cars peak at about 95 ft-lb. The Ubercharger never puts out LESS than 135. I've driven all of these cars, and I can tell you that the Uber does NOT have a turbo-like power delivery. Just the opposite, it's probably the easiest car I've driven for hanging the tail out anytime, anywhere. A JR SC feels like a slightly larger motor, the Uber feels like a V8 that can rev.

Ahh, I see what you mean. A note on reading dyno charts - depending on the dyno operator and how they synchronise the start of the run and throttle application, there can be some artifacts at the start and finish of the run. The Ubercharger chart doesn't really start until 2100 rpm. That dip at the beginning is the throttle opening as the operator started the run before he had his foot down. I did not perform the test of the Uber in this instance.

If your MSP was outrunning a T3-powered Miata, then either the Miata driver was clueless or it was a particularly inept installation. Remember that just putting a turbo on is the easy part. A T3 Miata has the capability of 250 whp easily, in a car that's about 500 lbs lighter than an MSP and which is RWD.

Keith

 

[Keith@FP]

The charts on our website are Dan's car, but that's with the initial prototype. He's getting the new one right now and it should do better. He's also building the engine up so he can run a tad more boost. Expect to see numbers closer to 300 from him eventually

The charts I just posted are from another car. I used it because it's a 1996, similar to the JR SC car. Dan has a 1999 with a better head.

Keith

 

[Natey]

That looks good and clean (thumb), but if you shop around you ain't gonna pay $190 for the Racing Beat.

I got my RB elbow from the www.miata.net classifieds for 70 bucks shipped from some guy that bought a supercharger.

 

[Natey]

Also, I agree with Keith about the turbo vs. S/C. If and when it's time to boost my 2001, it'll be "flyin' ".
I have a feeling that down the line, I'll want to be able to turn up the boost, y'know? (laugh)

 

[Keith@FP]

One of the reasons that we're developing a SC with some "headroom". Boost is seriously addictive.

The turbo vs SC thing will never go away. Aston Martin uses superchargers. Ferrari and Porsche use turbochargers. Mercedes uses...both. I was talking to Brian Goodwin at the Vegas day about the various characteristics. My opinion (if I had to go forced induction) is that I'd take a turbo for the track and a super for the street, he would choose exactly the opposite.

Actually, my own preference is to "add lightness", thus my current project. Instead of doubling the horsepower of the car, I'm going to cut the weight in half.
Keith

 

[RyanJayG]

Whipples are awesome.... get the Ubercharger....

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Ubercharger it is.

I am so excited!!

 

[jflo]

do u think this would work for the 1.6L ? 'cause apparently there was some big difference between teh 1.6 and 1.8 when racing beat made their intakes or something..

 

[mp5smuggler]

i used a 99 civic intake on my 02 mp5 and it works great

 

[Keith@FP]

The air flow meter is different on the 1.6, so you'll have to adapt to the different fitment. Keep in mind that when you replace the stock crossover tube, you're also removing a resonance chamber that helps with torque around 3000 rpm. This is not always to your benefit.

Keith

 

[Pitlab77]

dont forget brants stuff if you are looking at S/C

(M62)

http://www.brperformance.com/



as for me, i will stick with my turbo

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

as for me, i will stick with my turbo

That's cool, but I am thinking of winning, not high hp.
Dan is doing VERY well with the FM SC; much better than he did with his turbo setup. (thumb)

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

I have to go with FM though because of their solid rep and not to mention, the Ubercharger is coldside!

sorry, just over zealous about it.

 

[Pitlab77]

That's cool, but I am thinking of winning, not high hp.
Dan is doing VERY well with the FM SC; much better than he did with his turbo setup. (thumb)

and he did very well while turbo. Its more of the driver (him)
a proper sized turbo is all you need

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

true, but his skills didn't change that drastically from one season to the next.

I am getting impatient...may do a turbo. :-\

 

[Pitlab77]

true, but his skills didn't change that drastically from one season to the next.

I am getting impatient...may do a turbo. :-\

He did good before. All i see is hime getting more practice. Even others that have made custom "ubercharge" like systems still prefer a good sized turbo

 

[MiaTurbo]

I like to use universal parts on my car: duct tape. One of these days, I'll post a picture of my intake...

edit: here you go The bit on the right was supose to help keep the bellows part from expanding. Oh well.
The bit in the middle was because it was rubbing on the coolant line behind it.
The best part is the bit right before the intake. I had a plug in there because i took off the resenance chamber. it came off in turn 14 at VIR. So I was in the pits, with nothing to plug this hole with. i took a rag, stuffed it in there tight, and wrapped the whole thing real good I haven't had a problem since. I know, I know, I'll be installing a BOV soon.