Doubt it. The Cobalt made in Ohio probably had the same issues. I drove the regular SRT Viper last year, scary as s***. There'll be a few cars, including an Alfa 4c. I'll be in Portland, ill post pics after I spam facebook
"Mazda5 to be phased out for U.S. in 2015." - Automotive News
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Doubt it. The Cobalt made in Ohio probably had the same issues. I drove the regular SRT Viper last year, scary as s***. There'll be a few cars, including an Alfa 4c. I'll be in Portland, ill post pics after I spam facebook
Certainly keeps this dead forum entertainingWith some new members around here, I don't even need TMZ in my life
Where are my friends at the Chrysler plants and their smoking weed and drinking while on the job !
Notice Davicho's post timestamp? hahahaha!
I find the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe siblings an interesting story about brand perception (and country of HQ)
Both were designed and built side-by-side at NUMMI, but the Matrix is praised (somewhat; after all it is just a Corolla-bodied wagonish thing) and the Vibe was reported to be falling apart and soon after purchase couldn't be traded straight-across for a box of crackers.
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Silent, Mexico has been manufacturing cars for a while now. VW has been manufacturing cars there for at least close to 20 years....Ford, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Nissan at least 10 years and now Mazda, I don't know for sure about Toyota. Point is, these manufacturers in Mexico are also held accountable to the same build quality and standards. Machinery and parts are brought in from their original vendors (probably China or Japan) to be assembled there. The only reason car manufacturers are turning to Mexico for building plants is purely to reduce cost from labor, and logistic costs for importing. In fact, most people working there will do their best and maintain top notch work ethics because these car manufacturers still pay top notch salaries (even if its way cheaper for the car manufacturers themselves) compared to the Mexican national average for salaries. Now if you don't want a Mexican built car then don't go out and buy one, but don't go making stupid ignorant remarks and stereotype Mexican workers (as socialcarpet did) about not having integrity in their jobs and going drinking after work, when even here in our US of A we have idiots getting high while AT WORK. Anyway, like I said, I don't really want to get into this any more then I already did but I just don't care nor can be bothered with ignorance.
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Ironically many members here bash the general public for their "ignorance of the Mazda5" while being ignorant themselves.
I am the only non jewish, non same color race in my work. Last 11 years, its been like that.
You should see the stereotypes I have to deal with in and out of work, in a cosmopolitan city like LA.
Just ignore the idiots, best advise I gotten in my life.
Ironically many members here bash the general public for their "ignorance of the Mazda5" while being ignorant themselves.
I am the only non jewish, non same color race in my work. Last 11 years, its been like that.
You should see the stereotypes I have to deal with in and out of work, in a cosmopolitan city like LA.
Just ignore the idiots, best advise I gotten in my life.
The quality of build coming from a factory has more to do with management and design of the manufacturing process than the labor force. How the facility is run and how the labor is treated will affect how much the workers care about the job. The assembly line is mostly a repetitive task job that takes neither skill or education, nor does it typically attract highly educated/skilled people (though most if not all US factories require a HS diploma and they also drug test).
I recently spent a day photographing an auto plant in Alabama with full access, it was absolutely amazing, but it was how the place was run and designed that set the tone for how much the employees cared about the product.
They also were using improved manufacturing processes that were developed from other plants in other countries such as Mexico and I think it was Argentina
That said, you are somewhat correct about the Japanese, they are just OCD nuts, I know because I am married to one (bang)
And despite the stereotype, Mexican people bust their asses! They are some of the hardest working people I've ever come across.
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That's more because they are hand made in a shed more than because they are British
And mine was worth every penny, even when it's broken (nana)
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Does Chrysler drug test?
Agree. Love them even when broken.That's more because they are hand made in a shed more than because they are British
And mine was worth every penny, even when it's broken (nana)
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I have a local friend (you know him from the Lotus club), who has an E type. I have been meaning to check it out. last 3 months everytime it comes out of the shop, I arrange to meet him, and car is back in the shop.
Gorgeous though, someday I will have an E Type, even if it is just for garage decoration
P.S. invite me on some of your cool assignments!!!! I know how to hold a tripod!
socialcarpet
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Mattresses, sheets and quilts are fine. Precision machinery, not so much. Very well might just be a placebo effect. or maybe I just like the novelty of a Japanese car that's built in Japan and a German car that's built in Germany and so forth. I completely accept that it may all be in my imagination, but I'm confident there are cultural differences that do manifest themselves in the quality of the final product. Right or wrong, I just have more confidence in the Japanese and Germans to build precision machines with uncompromising quality and accuracy than anyone else. That may be politically incorrect, but I think it's naive to pretend that what country a car is built in has so effect at all on how well it's built. Culturally, the Japanese and the Germans are known for being relentlessly perfectionistic. The Japanese take it a step further though, they have kaizen (continuous improvement) and the humility to admit mistakes or accept there is a better way of doing something and to adapt. The Germans build outstandingly engineered (over-engineered) stuff, but they think their s*** doesn't stink, so when they find a problem with a car, they tend to declare it's user error first because their engineering is infallible. That, I believe, is one of the reasons Japan builds the most reliable cars in the world.
The role that culture plays in this is a sensitive subject and most people don't want to admit it for the risk of hurting feelings, but it's not a mistake that these car companies are selective about when they use factories in these places. Notice that Honda doesn't build Acura models in Mexico? They built them in Japan. Toyota builds Lexus models in Japan, not Mexico, not Brazil. If the quality is the same in Mexico, why not move all their production to the place where the labor is the cheapest? In my mind, there is only one logical answer to that question. They KNOW they cannot guarantee the product will not meet the same high standards consistently. With a Fit, apparently it's a chance Honda is willing to take so they can make an extra couple of hundred bucks off of each car, but they are smart enough not to risk their luxury division to this little labor experiment. So.. yeah if I buy a Japanese car, I'd much rather it be built in Japan, and I won't apologize for it.
socialcarpet
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Oh no... are you serious? Mazda is succumbing to the lure of cheap, substandard labor now too??? How depressing. That's one of the things I love about Mazda, they still build a lot of their cars in Japan. Damn it... At least built them in the U.S. or Canada if not Japan guys. Come on. (headshake
socialcarpet
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Are you certain of that? I was under the impression Mazda is discontinuing the 5 completely, as in worldwide. I could be wrong...but it's long overdue for an update and the fact that we have seen no evidence of a Kodo themed 5 anywhere does not bode well for the future of this model IMO. I don't believe Mazda is going to continue to build it as-is indefinitely when it's becoming more and more obvious that it's falling behind on the development train.
I hope I am wrong though. Even if I can't buy another 5 after this one, it would make me feel a little better knowing that our friends to the north and others still can....
socialcarpet
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Yes please! I am a proud closet Volvo fan (pre and post Ford)! Still lust for a 240 and day dream about finding and rebuilding a P1800
The Chinese ownership and the Chinese market is single handily saying Volvo. Otherwise, they too would have been a Saab story. China has gained a LOT of manufacturing experience in the last decide. Costs are going up and not as financially feasible to purely "make it there", you have to plan to sell it there. A lot of manufacturing is now moving to Vietnam/Brazil/Africa/where ever is the next cheap destination. If something made in China is cheap today, you can thank "whoever owns the label" for accepting the cheap s*** level of quality in the name of profit. If we all stop buying (accepting) the cheap crap, they will make better crap but be prepared to pay for it.
I had a 1991 Volvo 240 (second to last year they were built) and it was fantastic. One of my favorite cars of all time, really. It rode well, handled well enough and could be tuned to handle great. The engine was bulletproof and had enough torque that managed never to feel too sluggish despite it's modest numbers. Every bit of the car felt like it was hewn out of a solid block of steel. (except for some of the plastic interior trim bits which did not hold up to decades of UV radiation) After 16 years, mine had the original seats in it and they were still in good shape. The engine had 268k miles on it when I sold it and it was still running well with good compression in all cylinders despite never having any work done on it. The body was still solid. Those cars were built to last 15 years and they would easily last 20 or 30 if you took good care of them. It's a real shame they don't build cars like that anymore. I put the Volvo 240 and the Mercedes W123 in a class of their own. These are cars that can be driven for 150k by the first owner, then serve another 80-100k as a taxi and then become a first car for a high school kid and just keep on truckin. Japanese cars are reliable and last and last, but I've never seen one even close to as well built as that Volvo. You can't slam the door on a Volvo 240 too hard. You can sit on the hood, hell you could stand on the hood without fear of denting it one bit. I love Japanese cars, but that is one thing I don't love about them, everything seems like it's juuust as strong as it needs to be, not even the tiniest bit extra. The focus on efficiency means weight and cost take precendence over strength and durability. You could keep a good Japanese car running reliably as long as a Volvo 240, but after 15 years it will most likely be a flimsy rattle trap with lots of worn out parts, a destroyed drivers seat and tons of dents and dings, the Volvo will look 80% as good as new unless the owner abused it severely.
Ah well, I think the era where people bought cars and actually expected them to last 10-15 years and be in good shape at the end of it is over. Most people now hang onto a car for 4-8 years tops I think and then borrow money to buy another.
Here you go buddy, come out from underneath your rock sometime and educate yourself. Chances are you may have already owned or driven an mexican built vehicle without you knowing it.
Read this, especially the "History" section and the "Companies with official representation brands in Mexico" section.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Mexico
Mazda2 will be built in Mexico, just like the FIT.
Mazda5 isn't being discontinued in other parts of the world.
Looks like Mazda3 is now being built there as well.
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/mazda-opens-new-plant-salamanca-mexico
http://wot.motortrend.com/1401_mazda3_production_begins_at_automakers_new_plant_in_mexico.html
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...-mexico-output-will-help-lift-mazda3-sales-20
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/mazda-opens-new-plant-salamanca-mexico
http://wot.motortrend.com/1401_mazda3_production_begins_at_automakers_new_plant_in_mexico.html
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...-mexico-output-will-help-lift-mazda3-sales-20
I am a long time multiple Lexus owner. Never had an issue with my SC/LS or the CT.
RX330/RX350 is done in a factory in Cambridge-Ontario, Canada.
P.S. Though the Mazda5 is built in Japan, it has had a decent amount of problems, compared to other Japanese built cars. My Ohio build Hondas, have been bulletproof.
Acura MDX is built in Alabama now. IIRC they used to be built in Canada.
http://www.al.com/business/index.ssf/2013/05/post_16.html
http://www.al.com/business/index.ssf/2013/05/post_16.html
