Aggressive fitment anyone?!

[justanothermp5]

its over an inch. I wouldn't call that "not much"

moving the strut location a lil over an inch in is alot? thats easy as ****
cut, add 30mm of metal, reweld, simpleeeeee

So exactly what I said. Lol. You could do the same in the front and you will lose strut efficiency. Id recommend just gutting the stock ones an starting fresh

oh...did you say that lol i must not have read it right, i need to get a DD or something though before i start cutting sheet metal out of my car haha

 

[Wagonbacker9]

moving the strut location a lil over an inch in is alot? thats easy as ****
cut, add 30mm of metal, reweld, simpleeeeee

and never have a vehicle that will achieve or maintain a proper alignment again. I think you underestimate the complexity of the geometry used in designing a suspension.

 

[justanothermp5]

and never have a vehicle that will achieve or maintain a proper alignment again. I think you underestimate the complexity of the geometry used in designing a suspension.

lawl, alignment? i could care less bruh

 

[Protege03ak46]

and never have a vehicle that will achieve or maintain a proper alignment again. I think you underestimate the complexity of the geometry used in designing a suspension.

Iv done a lot of the calculations and can say hes absolutely right. weaksauce let me borrow this book, https://www.amazon.com (commissions earned). Its epic, has everything you'd ever need to know about suspension. Great read, id recommend it to anyone who's into suspensions.

 

[funkalicious21]

what tire are you running funk?

I'm running Federals ss595 205/40/17. one inch stretch each side of the rim.

bolt on spacers. you could easily get another full inch of clearance on the strut. as for fitting the wheel under your fender... that's another story. hehe...

This is exactly what i did...

i was actually thinking more along the lines of cutting and re-welding where the strut bolts to the actual car...
making an adapter so it'll still bolt to the hub, but making the actual location of the strut mount different,
30mm in isnt that much so it wouldnt be hard, keeping everything exactly the same on both sides is going to be tough

that'll work in the rear, but i havent thought of anything for the front yet

Interesting, but would it be the same as getting a hub spacer? I'm not sure if i getting the right point of view.

If you get a hub spacer you can have a proper alignment and less of a hassle. This would also allow you to return to orginal setup easily. Only thing i can see being a problem would be $ issues. Honestly, the money spent will be well money spent versus the problems you may run into. Sound like spacers would be safer, maybe?

 

[funkalicious21]

I just wanted to paste this from a reply to a pm i had. I hope this helps you guys with your setup.

"yup, I started out with 17x9 +35 in rear. Fits great with a little roll and flare. Not much needed to be done. I fit great with a -3 camber and a credit card clearance. So with no camber i'd believe you go with a higher offset. I'm unsure with what.

So here the reason why i went even more aggressive. I made the 17x9 +35 fit the rear perfectly and it looked great, but it didn't look "ooohhh sshhhiitt" to me. From my previous setup i was running a 25mm spacer already so i said "**** it" and made it fit. So with the process i had to body work and made my own fender flares and made the 25mm fit with my 17x9 +35 and gave me a final spec of 17x9 +10.

I hope that makes things more clearer for you."

 

[KauaiMP5]

ummm.....
16x9 -13
lol... too much?

now before you guys say anything drastic
look at this guy

now u can say something drastic...lolz

 

[Wagonbacker9]

retardflush.

 

[justanothermp5]

Interesting, but would it be the same as getting a hub spacer? I'm not sure if i getting the right point of view.

If you get a hub spacer you can have a proper alignment and less of a hassle. This would also allow you to return to orginal setup easily. Only thing i can see being a problem would be $ issues. Honestly, the money spent will be well money spent versus the problems you may run into. Sound like spacers would be safer, maybe?

Hub spacer? you talking about like just a reg wheel spacer or is this something else?

the reason i want to do this, is because i want to fit a 9.5" wheel under a stock (rolled obviously) fender,
of course i could use spacers and then just pull the fender or use some bolt on flares but i dont know how i feel about flares on a protege...
they already have mini flares from the factory, i think bigger ones will look a little out of place

 

[Wagonbacker9]

Interesting, but would it be the same as getting a hub spacer? I'm not sure if i getting the right point of view.

If you get a hub spacer you can have a proper alignment and less of a hassle. This would also allow you to return to orginal setup easily. Only thing i can see being a problem would be $ issues. Honestly, the money spent will be well money spent versus the problems you may run into. Sound like spacers would be safer, maybe?

Basically what his idea is, involves making room on the INSIDE of the wheel by moving the strut inboard on the car. On the surface, its a great plan. You get more wheel under the car, with clearance, and you don't have to pull the fenders.

The problems are:

You won't be able to turn (I rub at full lock with my +47 offset 8" wheels, how do you plan to clear something wider with less offset? Hack a chunk out of the frame as well?

Your car will flat out be unsafe. Changing offsets is one thing, but re-engineering the suspension design without understanding the consiquenses both structurally, and geometrically is down right irresponsible, and quite frankly stupid.

 

[justanothermp5]

lol its funny how you act like your an expert on suspension

also, why are you talking about turning? you turn the rear wheels? dam...thats news to me

 

[funkalicious21]

ummm.....
16x9 -13
lol... too much?

now before you guys say anything drastic
look at this guy

now u can say something drastic...lolz

Definitely doable! Just dont make it look like the 300 because that's retarded. He just slapped on rims without doing the fitment. If you're going to do fitment as a style then do it right.

 

[Wagonbacker9]

lol its funny how you act like your an expert on suspension

also, why are you talking about turning? you turn the rear wheels? dam...thats news to me

you said you already had a possible solution for the rear, and you were considering this for the front did you not? if I read that wrong, I apologize.

edit: my mistake. I did read that incorrectly. but the critical structural needs, and alignment specs (especially with the passive rear steering system our suspension design employs) remain.

and did you not just see like 4 posts ago where my statements were corroborated, by someone who fancies more extreme fitment like yourself? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean I'm talking out of my ass. I've done my research and have a fairly good understanding of the concepts in play, and more importantly, I know that hours upon hours went into designing it... which wasn't just for fun.

 

[thaikim]

now before you guys say anything drastic
look at this guy

Ok and his fitment is terrible... Your point?

 

[civickilla03]

yea i dont really like that IS, and kuai i say tire those wheels up, and see what happens, lol cuz i wanna see what happens.

 

[justanothermp5]

you said you already had a possible solution for the rear, and you were considering this for the front did you not? if I read that wrong, I apologize.

edit: my mistake. I did read that incorrectly. but the critical structural needs, and alignment specs (especially with the passive rear steering system our suspension design employs) remain.

and did you not just see like 4 posts ago where my statements were corroborated, by someone who fancies more extreme fitment like yourself? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean I'm talking out of my ass. I've done my research and have a fairly good understanding of the concepts in play, and more importantly, I know that hours upon hours went into designing it... which wasn't just for fun.

i know suspension is very complex, i know there are alot of things that can go wrong if i do this, but trust me,
before i start hacking up my car, im going to do some research
im not about to try and wing something like this, and i understand your concern, it is pretty dangerous

but think about bagged trucks, they do frame and body modifications all the time, so it can be safe if done right, and i plan on doing it right

 

[Wagonbacker9]

i know suspension is very complex, i know there are alot of things that can go wrong if i do this, but trust me,
before i start hacking up my car, im going to do some research
im not about to try and wing something like this, and i understand your concern, it is pretty dangerous

but think about bagged trucks, they do frame and body modifications all the time, so it can be safe if done right, and i plan on doing it right

I'm glad to hear you acknowledge that it is more complicate than this, that makes me fear for your life much less:

cut, add 30mm of metal, reweld, simpleeeeee

As for mini-trucks, they have MUCH simpler suspension designs, and are not unibody. You're right, they do some crazy s***, but they have a LOT of advantages over you, just due to simplicity in the platform before they get started.

 

[Circuit]

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[dxaveP5]

gangsta

 

[ajkulish]

i dont like that car. i love the white on red, thats my favorite. but the fitment is overkill.