ipad deck...

[Captain KRM P5]

Conversely, despite the fact that the screen's about the same size, everything is optimized and designed around the mofo'ing finger!! so instead of taking your pinky nail and tapping on the start button... then programs... then scrolling... only for the window to dissapear forcing you to start all over... you just tap tap tap your F'in finger to and fro.

the Viliv and the newer Archos have optimized front ends where you don't have to do any of that. sure, you can go to the basic Windows and do everything you need to do. but the OS on them is optimized for a tablet setup. but having the option to do more is very nice. Especially when you're spending that much money. Just not when you're an Apple customer.

 

[CHICO2003]

Sorry bud... This so called 'optimized' version of Windows leaves A LOT to be desired. Sure, it's better than nothing... but this is really where Apple shines. But I do agree about the pricing coming down. But I don't necessarily think that's a sign that it'll fail.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Sorry bud... This so called 'optimized' version of Windows leaves A LOT to be desired. Sure, it's better than nothing... but this is really where Apple shines. But I do agree about the pricing coming down. But I don't necessarily think that's a sign that it'll fail.

i'll hopefully be getting my unit in this week and will post videos of it. i think more than a few ipad fanboys with money in hand will, at the least, mentally question their choice when it comes down to it. on a side note, i made a pitch to Viliv to market the unit and I have to say the response was pretty disheartening. they have one national distributor outside of newegg - ironically who is here in chicago near me - and they are, from what i have gathered, terrible at marketing and selling the unit.

 

[yudkib]

i made a pitch to Viliv to market the unit and I have to say the response was pretty disheartening. they have one national distributor outside of newegg - ironically who is here in chicago near me - and they are, from what i have gathered, terrible at marketing and selling the unit.

you would think that would be so easy - "not the ipad"

 

[yudkib]

some light reading for you chico, ipad alternatives
hey ken your viilv made it on the list.

but personally, if i want another mac device, its going to be snow leopard on a dell netbook or leopard on the generation-old ones. 200 bucks for a refurb dell 9 and like 130 for the OS... 330 dollars for a device way more capable, smaller, with a real keyboard and USB... theres a million reasons thats better, and your argument about the OS isnt one of them chico.

 

[CHICO2003]

I agree. If you want Mac OS you obviously need to get a mac (or one of those twisted inbreds you referred to.)

As far as them being more 'capable' goes... sure, I guess. If capability in your mind simply refers to how many checkmarks there are on the list of things a device can do then of course... the iPad can't compete.

But the iPad destroys those devices in categories they can't even enter, let alone compete in. Are notebooks touchscreen? Sure, tablets are... but that's a dreadful (at best) experience. Apple's perfected the multitouch experience on the iPhone and is bringing it to the iPad. This isn't a new device per se. Though pundits think they're taking a shot at it by saying it's nothing more than an oversized iPod touch... in many ways that's not such a bad thing. Usually tech products have to go through a certain phase in which things need to be worked out. This is a new product with 3 years worth of proven capability.

Your point about the OS not being one of the reasons the iPad might potentially be better (given the circumstances of course) is absurd! Of course it's a factor.. in fact, along with the form factor, it's the biggest factor! Just because something may be more 'powerful' or 'capable' doesn't mean it's better. Look at whatever OS your home computer's using now. It can do everything from create a presentation to play an advanced game. But do you really want THAT OS on a device like your phone or HU? hell no! long bootup times and interfaces that require a large monitor are ok for a home computer... but not ok for the aforementioned types of devices. So of course OS plays a role. For what the iPad is... the iPhone OS (especially if it's jailbroken) is the ideal OS. It'll ensure everyone's experience with the device is as easy and worry-free as... well... the experience people obviously love about the iPhone.

In the near future you'll be seeing coffee shops across the country with people using both netbooks and iPads.

The netbook users will be cramming their hands into the tiny keyboard and squinting at the tiny font. Some of them will be putting the keyboards to good use and typing emails (or posting messages like this.) Others will simply be using it to surf the web. few letters here... couple swipes there...

The iPad users on the other hand might be laying on a couch... using their hands to navigate web pages, flip through pictures, play or interact with games and applications specifically designed for such a device. All of the things the majority of the netbook users are doing can be done... just in a different and more comfortable fashion. Sure, they won't be typing emails (as easily or quickly) or posting messages. But maybe they have better, more fun things to do. perhaps they're saving that type of crap for when they're home sitting uncomfortably on their home PC.

In short... don't analyze based on a spec sheet. It's all about the user experience. Just like with cars. Back in 03 when I bought my MSP, the WRX was technically faster in a straight line. More than a few publications stated as much but also stated that the MSP 'felt' faster. They were right. For that reason, and many others, I ended up getting an MSP. If I had strictly went by what some #s said on a spec sheet I might've gotten a WRX. In that alternate universe, this post would've never been written and you all would have lost out on my rambling. So... yeah. iPad FTW

 

[yudkib]

Your point about the OS not being one of the reasons the iPad might potentially be better (given the circumstances of course) is absurd! Of course it's a factor..

i was saying if i had a netbook running OSX you couldnt say "mac is better than windows" as your primary argument. hell, theres probably a way to retro a touchscreen and tap a USB header or something on one of those dell netbooks. how much cooler, more features, and cheaper would that be.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

I agree. If you want Mac OS you obviously need to get a mac (or one of those twisted inbreds you referred to.)

As far as them being more 'capable' goes... sure, I guess. If capability in your mind simply refers to how many checkmarks there are on the list of things a device can do then of course... the iPad can't compete.

But the iPad destroys those devices in categories they can't even enter, let alone compete in. Are notebooks touchscreen? Sure, tablets are... but that's a dreadful (at best) experience. Apple's perfected the multitouch experience on the iPhone and is bringing it to the iPad. This isn't a new device per se. Though pundits think they're taking a shot at it by saying it's nothing more than an oversized iPod touch... in many ways that's not such a bad thing. Usually tech products have to go through a certain phase in which things need to be worked out. This is a new product with 3 years worth of proven capability.

Your point about the OS not being one of the reasons the iPad might potentially be better (given the circumstances of course) is absurd! Of course it's a factor.. in fact, along with the form factor, it's the biggest factor! Just because something may be more 'powerful' or 'capable' doesn't mean it's better. Look at whatever OS your home computer's using now. It can do everything from create a presentation to play an advanced game. But do you really want THAT OS on a device like your phone or HU? hell no! long bootup times and interfaces that require a large monitor are ok for a home computer... but not ok for the aforementioned types of devices. So of course OS plays a role. For what the iPad is... the iPhone OS (especially if it's jailbroken) is the ideal OS. It'll ensure everyone's experience with the device is as easy and worry-free as... well... the experience people obviously love about the iPhone.

In the near future you'll be seeing coffee shops across the country with people using both netbooks and iPads.

The netbook users will be cramming their hands into the tiny keyboard and squinting at the tiny font. Some of them will be putting the keyboards to good use and typing emails (or posting messages like this.) Others will simply be using it to surf the web. few letters here... couple swipes there...

The iPad users on the other hand might be laying on a couch... using their hands to navigate web pages, flip through pictures, play or interact with games and applications specifically designed for such a device. All of the things the majority of the netbook users are doing can be done... just in a different and more comfortable fashion. Sure, they won't be typing emails (as easily or quickly) or posting messages. But maybe they have better, more fun things to do. perhaps they're saving that type of crap for when they're home sitting uncomfortably on their home PC.

In short... don't analyze based on a spec sheet. It's all about the user experience. Just like with cars. Back in 03 when I bought my MSP, the WRX was technically faster in a straight line. More than a few publications stated as much but also stated that the MSP 'felt' faster. They were right. For that reason, and many others, I ended up getting an MSP. If I had strictly went by what some #s said on a spec sheet I might've gotten a WRX. In that alternate universe, this post would've never been written and you all would have lost out on my rambling. So... yeah. iPad FTW

i'm sorry, but i have two vilivs in my household now, and the touchscreen experience is far from "dreadful". use one and come talk to me. you can't say the same about the ipad because, well, i have an iphone and ipod touch and it's the same thing, so i have essentially "used one". no really, it is, please stop shaking your head. so i feel i'm more than qualified at this point to compare the two. and honestly, i still wouldn't ever in a million years buy an ipad.

i could care less about mac OS or iphone OS. i could care less about jailbreaking. you shouldn't have to hack a unit to get features at that price tag. its indefensible, seriously.

i have been using my X70 for over a month now and it consistently impresses me. the on screen keyboard is fast and responsive in all applications. the speed of the unit is more than adequete for surfing the net, watching videos, chatting, video chatting, facebooking, mp3 playing, piggyback tuning. finger touch or stylus use, its spot on and i can do not one but several of those at once. plus its hands down the most accurate GPS device i've ever used.

one of my friends who is a die hard ipad fanboy proclaimed its mass and girth to be too much for him. thats what she said no seriously, it weighs in within an ounce - an ounce for god's sake - of what the ipad is listed to weigh at. plus, its got a very large solid state drive (larger than the ipad) along side the SD card slot which i presently have a 32GB card plugged into. looks like i'll be swiping through more media comfortably on my couch than an ipad user at less a cost.

the ipad will sell because its an apple product with a multimillion marketing budget. but seriously, don't sit there and tell me there aren't products that do steve jobs' job better when i have a pair of them in my house right now that unquestionably do. before they arrived in my hands the ipad was still an interesting curiosity. putting them to use once they arrived convinced me the ipad was a ripoff. i have had the iphone, ipod touch and mac mini in my possession for years. believe me, if i felt that the "experience" of these windows XP based tablets was any worse than what standards those apple devices set for me, i'd proclaim it so and tell people go buy the ipad in droves. but i can't do that because i'm convinced from experience now.

i'd love to see viliv have the apple marketing machine behind it. they'd sell them by the metric s*** ton if people were able to pick them up and play with them. but thats the crux of the whole matter. its not the experience, or the OS, or the capability, or the lack of capability or even the name that will sell this pile of crap. its the logo on the box and the inundation of advertising it will receive. you're ok with that and so are millions of americans who have more dollars than brains. but you're not going to convince us any more than we are going to convince you because at this point two totally seperate arguments have evolved from the origin argument, making the two non overlapping magesteria.

oh, and microsoft courier is going to eat ipad for lunch anyways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIgNfp-MdI

 

[CHICO2003]

i was saying if i had a netbook running OSX you couldnt say "mac is better than windows" as your primary argument. hell, theres probably a way to retro a touchscreen and tap a USB header or something on one of those dell netbooks. how much cooler, more features, and cheaper would that be.

ummm.... no. it would still suck ass. simply 'retroing a touchscreen' would basically turn a laptop into a tablet. Having used tablets at work for the past 4 years, I can tell you they're almost useless. In theory, they sound great. Then you attempt to deal with the cumbersome and buggy interface and you're left using it as strictly a laptop. So... no, that wouldn't be cool at all.

 

[CHICO2003]

Glad you like your Vilv... For what it is, I think that's one hell of a device. My 'dreadful' comment was in reference to the tablets of the world or... to be more specific, the various HP (and I believe a few others) tablets running MS Windows XP Tablet. My bad for not clarifying. I realize there are companies out there (like whoever's behind this Vilv) that pull an HTC and build a 'Sense UI' type of GUI over the existing to make it a bit more... dare I say it, apple-esque. That's all well and good. I'm sure it makes the experience far less dreadful... but no offense, it still won't be able to compare to the real deal in THIS way. (Granted, in many other ways it's the superior device.) Your machine's sort of like an Android phone whereas the 'not even released/reviewed ipad so nobody can honestly talk s*** about it' iPad is... an iPhone. Both have their pros and cons... but in the end, the Android is probably best suited for the techie type that can handle having to be a bit more 'involved' in things in order to get the most out of their device. Whereas the iPhone/pad.... well... my freakin grandma has one. Need I say more?

 

[CHICO2003]

As far as the courier goes... I remember seeing that video last year. Looks cool... but obviously that's a render and probably far from indicative of how it'll truly perform. I could be wrong but... we're talking about MS here.

Though the past doesn't always reflect the future... it often does. Think of all the so-called iPhone killers that came and went. The Storm looked good on paper... until you used it and saw how much of a dog it was. Then there's the Pre. A fantastic device with very limited support from the app community and thus, nothing more than a Neo-Geo circa 1991. Great hardware... lacking software. And now we have the Droid. The most worthy of all... even it cannot dethrone the mighty iPhone because it lacks the simplicity, ease of use and consistency (how many different F'in versions of Android do we really need anyway?) of the iPhone.

I'm not saying the upcoming Slate, Courier and various other potential 'iPad killers' are going to suffer the same fate. Well... ok... I am saying that. They will all be cool in their own way but lack that magic pixy dust Steve Jobs is obviously smokin that puts it all together. Don't label me a fanboy cuz I'm far from it. Right now, Apple's setting the pace for innovation. All the apple haters should be kissing their beanbag for taking the industry to a new level. It wasn't that long ago that we were all fumbling around with a tiny stylus trying to tap a miniscule little [X] in order to close an application on our Treo. For some, you may still be stuck in 2006. Thanks mostly to Apple, the rest of the tech world isn't.

 

[yudkib]

...And now we have the Droid. The most worthy of all... even it cannot dethrone the mighty iPhone because it lacks the simplicity, ease of use and consistency (how many different F'in versions of Android do we really need anyway?) of the iPhone.

droid is a platform, not a device, much like the app store and the app version of OSX and windows mobile is a platform. it already is gaining a lot of support because if you want to have an app published, you dont have to go through apple. its an open API thats "software libre" as opposed to apple's obfuscated and programmer unfriendly API. and remember, apple screens all of their apps, and ive met people who have theirs turned down ("its too similar to cover flow", "it lets you do things with the device that its not intended to", to name a couple) and switched to android. i actually do research with a software development group, of the people programming for handheld devices, 14 are programming for droid, one is programming for apple. hes actually really good for those keeping score at home, hes had several top-rated apps and got a job offers from oreilly publishing and david pogue just based on his code.

I'm not saying the upcoming Slate, Courier and various other potential 'iPad killers' are going to suffer the same fate. Well... ok... I am saying that. They will all be cool in their own way but lack that magic pixy dust Steve Jobs is obviously smokin that puts it all together.

its true, theres been more capable devices that have failed before, but none of apples devices were a "slap in the face" to their userbase like the ipad is. generally apple puts out devices that are competitive and innovative, but the ipad is neither. its recycled technology made 400% bigger, and the market knows it. they sold 200,000 on day one, then like 15,000 the rest of the weekend. yeah steve jobs magic pixi dust really brainwashed a lot of people into buying it.

Don't label me a fanboy cuz I'm far from it. Right now, Apple's setting the pace for innovation. All the apple haters should be kissing their beanbag for taking the industry to a new level. It wasn't that long ago that we were all fumbling around with a tiny stylus trying to tap a miniscule little [X] in order to close an application on our Treo. For some, you may still be stuck in 2006. Thanks mostly to Apple, the rest of the tech world isn't.

yeah apple has done great things with the UI world and we absolutely have them to thank for it, but this isnt a question of what has apple done since OSX and the iphone came out, its a question of what theyre doing with the ipad, and the answer is nothing. they HAVE set the pace, but they really missed a rung on the ladder with the ipad and i dont understand how you keep defending it as being innovative when its not. really, its not. how the hell do you think it is? whats innovative about it? whats different than the ipod touch, except this doesnt have a camera, and its big? please tell me how its innovative.

 

[CHICO2003]

Droid isn't a device? Android is the OS that Google has come up with to compete with BB, Web OS & of course iPhone OS. The Motorola Droid is just one of the many devices that have this OS.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

there is no innovation in the ipad. there is no pace being set. i agree its going to sell, chico. but it in no way is because of what it does or even does well. its the fact that its going to be in our face because of the money behind it. there is no pixie dust at work here, its cold hard cash. its repackaged tech with a pretty face and budget to back it and nothing more. you keep talking about the experience and GUI and how its pushing the envelope. yeah, it did that three years ago on the iphone. and then ipod touch. so why the hell would I or anyone who owns one of those buy an ipad? there isn't a logical reason, and thats what i'm driving at. buying an ipad is simply idiotic on those principles. it makes even less sense for the apple fanboy who has all these products to buy one.

at the end of the day, yes its going to sell. i'm not disagreeing with you on that and i don't think its going to be dethroned because no one has the money and wherewithal outside of microsoft to do it. you say the courier is "clearly a reader" as if its nothing more. we already know what the ipad is and does. don't for a moment presume the same thing about courier based on one video (there are many more out there). we've barely scratched the surface there.

you and i are arguing two totally different things. and frankly your argument doesn't remotely dismantle the truth of the product - its going to sell because we're an image driven culture of sheep who flock to products like this when they are advertised with the kind of glitz and exposure apple affords. its not a revolutionary device and it is repackaged tech priced higher than what it can do. it is a device wholly worthy of criticism based on those truths and it is refreshing to see the press take apple's member out of their mouths for one moment to question the validity and decency of the product here. not everything they touch is solid gold. apple tv anyone? apple pippin? please. i accept its going to sell, but for far more simplistic reasons than you want to admit.

its just not a very good product for the price, and educated - truly educated - consumers will realize that. the rest will be lining apple's pockets with overpriced books loaded onto their glossy screened devices. i will go out on a limb and wager that the second gen ipad apple already has made and will hit us with in six months will be even "more magical and revolutionary" than the first and people will be similarly wowed and disgusted. hooray for designed obsolescence and we feeble minded folk who buy into it. who knew, ronald reagan was right after all.

point of fact right here; i'm a nintendo fanboy through and through. and i'm big enough to realize how much BS the company has put down our throats for years. the game boy and DS have always been underpowered products with re-release after re-release and repacking of the same thing in a new shell. the wii is for all intents purposes an overpowered gamecube with a motion controller. and you know what, the psp and ps3 are infinitely more powerful machines in their classes and sell three times as few units as nintendo does despite that. even being a fanboy though, i have enough a brain to acknowledge that the strategy is borderline unethical and insulting. and the industry needs people like me, i'll arrogantly venture, who have some, even a small, collective voice who say "hey **** this s***, i'm not going to buy into that". thats what drives real innovation frankly, and thats the kind of innovation that sells me on something. not the bogus "innovation" wrapped in a pretty box and sold to me like it means something.

 

[yudkib]

Droid isn't a device? Android is the OS that Google has come up... The Motorola Droid is just one of the many devices that have this OS.

oops, youre correct. brain fart on my part, thats two in two days. damn spring flu screwing with my head.

i dont know anyone who bought an iTv or the 400-whatever dollar sound dock apple put out. neither of those products was a success at all - tivo still SMASHES the iTv because it IS innovative and the iTv is well boarderline. this will be the same thing - the iphone and ipod touch will still sell in droves, but when it comes to the ipad, i still see it getting smoked by eeepc's, kindles, etc, etc, etc. its a half-assed effort and im sure itll be profitable (supposedly they make 300 dollars a unit) but its a piece of junk and its not going to redefine tech-based sales by any means

 

[CHICO2003]

there is no innovation in the ipad... there is no pixie dust at work here... you keep talking about the experience and GUI and how its pushing the envelope. yeah, it did that three years ago on the iphone. and then ipod touch. so why the hell would I or anyone who owns one of those buy an ipad?...

With all due respect... you're wrong. No innovation in the iPad? LOL that's the funniest thing I heard all day. Even if you're not a fan and think it'll tank, you can't possibly say it isn't innovative. ANYTHING that is DIFFERENT (and serves a purpose blah blah blah) is by definition innovative. (ok, maybe that's not websters definition but you get the point.) Name another device that operates the way this does. You can't. Not legitimately anyway. Go ahead and try. You'll fail and I'll call you on it! lol So yeah... it's innovative.

As far as the pixie dust goes... you of all people (since you own an iPhone) should know there IS indeed magic in these devices. Come on man... put aside your deep-seeded hatred and face reality. These devices work almost flawlessly. Every other smartphone before it (and the majority of them since) can't compete with the iPhone in terms of ease of use and simplicity. THAT is the magic pixie dust I refer to and THAT is what has made it such a success. It caters to the bottom-end while still being able to cater to the top end (jailbreak anyone?) so... it pretty much caters to everyone.

Lastly... why would anyone who owns an iPhone/touch buy one of these? Sure, the UI is relatively the same but... so what? One can have a 32" Samsung LCD in their bedroom and have a 52" Samsung in their Living Room. Both will probably have the same UI but obviously both offer a different experience. Ok... maybe that's not the best comparrison but the point is clear. iPhone for... phone purposes (and other things). iPad for doing the 'other things' just... in a easier and bigger kind of way. NOt to mention.. there will be apps designed specifically for this device so... yeah... for some, there will definitely be a valid reason to own one.

 

[yudkib]

With all due respect... you're wrong. No innovation in the iPad? LOL that's the funniest thing I heard all day. Even if you're not a fan and think it'll tank, you can't possibly say it isn't innovative. ANYTHING that is DIFFERENT (and serves a purpose blah blah blah) is by definition innovative. (ok, maybe that's not websters definition but you get the point.) Name another device that operates the way this does. You can't. Not legitimately anyway. Go ahead and try. You'll fail and I'll call you on it! lol So yeah... it's innovative.

iphone, ipod touch. ill call you on it again: theres NOTHING innovative about the ipad. if you can call "innovation" removing features, like a phone, and making it big, then sure its "innovative". to me, thats backwards logic... generally people want things smaller and with more features, and THATS innovation.

As far as the pixie dust goes... you of all people (since you own an iPhone) should know there IS indeed magic in these devices. Come on man... put aside your deep-seeded hatred and face reality. These devices work almost flawlessly. Every other smartphone before it (and the majority of them since) can't compete with the iPhone in terms of ease of use and simplicity. THAT is the magic pixie dust I refer to and THAT is what has made it such a success. It caters to the bottom-end while still being able to cater to the top end (jailbreak anyone?) so... it pretty much caters to everyone.

yeah the pixie dust worked for the iphone and ipod touch because they were smart, stable and innovative, but it did not work for other devices, thats the point im making. iTv didnt sell that well because it treated consumers like morons whereas the tivo was intelligent and capable with a lot of features. the "pixie dust" apple logo didnt do much for them there, and it wont here, and the sales numbers already prove that.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

With all due respect... you're wrong. No innovation in the iPad? LOL that's the funniest thing I heard all day. Even if you're not a fan and think it'll tank, you can't possibly say it isn't innovative. ANYTHING that is DIFFERENT (and serves a purpose blah blah blah) is by definition innovative. (ok, maybe that's not websters definition but you get the point.) Name another device that operates the way this does. You can't. Not legitimately anyway. Go ahead and try. You'll fail and I'll call you on it! lol So yeah... it's innovative.

until this post, you actually looked intelligent. now you're just a mouth piece without intellect to back it up.

innovation   [in-uh-vey-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
something new or different introduced: numerous innovations in the high-school curriculum.
2.
the act of innovating; introduction of new things or methods.

verb (used with object)
2.
to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time: to innovate a computer operating system.
3.
Archaic. to alter.

if we're going to argue definitions so we all "get the point" as you say, then let me "call you on it" with the real definition. don't make up what words mean in your own mind to defend a defenseless position. i can name two devices that do the exact same thing the ipad does. and i have, a million times over, an iphone and an ipod touch. the ipad is bigger and actually lacks three features of other two. innovation? yeah, sorry didn't think so either. oh and its more money. innovative? no. i'd ask you to explain, but we all have and its clear you're fundamentally unable to see past the boundaries of toon town and into the realm of what we call the real world.

So tell me where its really innovative. Cite real examples. You can't. Not legitimately anyway. Go ahead and try. You'll fail and I'll call you on it! lol So yeah... it's not innovative.

As far as the pixie dust goes... you of all people (since you own an iPhone) should know there IS indeed magic in these devices. Come on man... put aside your deep-seeded hatred and face reality. These devices work almost flawlessly. Every other smartphone before it (and the majority of them since) can't compete with the iPhone in terms of ease of use and simplicity. THAT is the magic pixie dust I refer to and THAT is what has made it such a success. It caters to the bottom-end while still being able to cater to the top end (jailbreak anyone?) so... it pretty much caters to everyone.

deep seeded hatred and yet i have bought three apple products? and upgraded one of them? i love how you pick and choose what i say and ignore whatever you can't combat with real substance. priceless. i never said it would tank. in fact if you use the magical scroll function of your web browser and read what i wrote, i did say several times over its going to sell well. so thank you for rendering your arguments so invalid they dismantle themselves. yeah its a nice phone, i love it. i've had one since day one, and its not flawless. give me a break dude. if they were flawless people wouldn't be jailbreaking them. but hey, i also posted i do have and like my phone and yet you're coming at me like i'm invalidating that. you have mental masturbation over it all you want, to me, its just a really damn nice phone.

Lastly... why would anyone who owns an iPhone/touch buy one of these? Sure, the UI is relatively the same but... so what? One can have a 32" Samsung LCD in their bedroom and have a 52" Samsung in their Living Room. Both will probably have the same UI but obviously both offer a different experience. Ok... maybe that's not the best comparrison but the point is clear. iPhone for... phone purposes (and other things). iPad for doing the 'other things' just... in a easier and bigger kind of way. NOt to mention.. there will be apps designed specifically for this device so... yeah... for some, there will definitely be a valid reason to own one.

you're right, thats a terrible comparison. the iphone is not just for "phone purposes". a phone with buttons is for phone purposes. i guess if its just for phone purposes that wouldn't make it such a magical device. or all those goofballs making apps had the wrong idea. hey guys, knock it off and wait for the ipad - this is just a phone! stop all the downloading! i bought an iphone for all the things it can do. you expect me to buy an ipad for the things it can duplicate on a bigger screen for half a grand? ipad specific apps. if i see one that remotely justifies a real difference or the price, i'd be thrilled. its not going to happen. it doesn't have the hardware to back it up. no camera. no ports. no GPS. whats it going to do, play games? yeah, let me get right on that tilting something the size of a lunch tray all over to play a scaled down version of guitar hero. its one thing on the iphone. its another on something like this.

do yourself a favor and come back when you actually want to address the points i've made than argue against things i never even said and make comments which lack any real content. if you can't do that, its not worth arguing about. you're talking to a guy who has and loves three apple products and has a justifiable set of reasons why this one stinks and you can't rationalize that. it'd be easier if i was your typical hater. but, i'm not. i recognize the product for what it is, the strategy of the company behind, i still am able to own and enjoy some of those products and i have enough of a head on my shoulders to make empircal criticisms of this item. you haven't and i don't think you can, honestly.

 

[CHICO2003]

iphone, ipod touch. ill call you on it again: theres NOTHING innovative about the ipad..

Wow! So I guess you can only be innovative once. You admit the iPhone/touch are innovative but the iPad (which is essentially a bigger version) is not. That makes no sense. Besides, the devices will be used in different ways. As great as the iPhone might be... it's less than ideal for surfing the web. I'm constantly zooming in and out of pages to find the right place. The screen's simply too small. This will solve that issue.

 

[yudkib]

Wow! So I guess you can only be innovative once.

thats correct, as noted by the definition of innovative.

You admit the iPhone/touch are innovative but the iPad (which is essentially a bigger version) is not. That makes no sense.

yes it does.

you hung in there for a really long time, but after this post, im pretty convinced the argument is over.

hey ken lets grab a victory beer and watch some hulu on our capable devices, chico can always catch up on the colbert report when someone bootlegs the whole thing to youtube or if he pays 4 dollars to apple to watch the episode through the apple store.