Mazdaspeed2oo35 Engine Build Round 2

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I havent seen 1 vid? any links? i wan2 see this bad boy!!!!

Here you go, Let me know what ya think !!!!!!!!!!!!​

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Mazdaspeed+Protege+GT3582R+Turbo​

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[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

1. Stiffer engine mounts and tranny mounts lead to less movement which is better for the engine and tranny. If you have stock mounts get rid of them ASAP.

2. I've seen 3 types of Protege pistons myself. Held in my own hands, CP, Arias, and Wiseco. I've run 4 sets of Arias through my engine, so I changed to CP. The CP's blow everything else out of the water. I'm ashamed I didn't switch to them sooner. All the relief cuts are more precise and have beveled edges (leads to less potential hotspot area) and the forging looks to be of better quality. The Wiseco's are the worst of the three. Sharp edges, and like the Arias a domed piston top. My new CP's are flat topped. (Finally!) Not to say the Wiseco's are garbage, but they have no place in a "serious" build engine like this.

What LordWorm said is true, CP puts ALOT of R&D into their pistons, and have VERY strict quality control. They're quiet, well made, and strong as ****.

Before anyone flames MY OPINION remember, it is only MY OPINION. (Read that line again before you flame.)

Maxx I have AWR Front, Passenger and Driver Side Motor mounts, Weapon R Engine Damper and Rear OEM Transmission Motor mount, my car feels and acts perfect no engine movement plus i don`t have any vibration at all. Ive been told by quite lot of shops and people that have knowledge that having the Rear Motor mount is what puts the mayor of stress on the transmission internals once again the fact is ive been having my car like that for 4 years now even when i had 249whp and stock turbo and a insane fast spooling my transmission and gears are still holding...

Well i do also have to say i did Cryo treatment to all of the internals of the transmission including LSD, TBK 3rd and 4th Gears, and They Welded my LSD front and back of it, BTW the welds looks like a complete ass the ugliest ive seen but b**** is holding like no other since its still there and together when ive seen very nice welded ones i mean a work of art welds breaking, snapping etc.... I mean if we all have the same except turbo size why mines is putting the highest HP til date and still together and others with lot less or same mods but smaller turbo are blowing, breaking, snapping things up..

Theres got to be a reason and explanation, and all i can say based on my own experience and car is.... Turbo Size, T25s and T28s leads to blow s**** up including anything or everything inside the transmission.. My Advice i aint no Engineer or i know more than anybody here but You all should think about changing turbo size i know your turbo is big but to others, they should atleast put a GT30 or GT35 and up, make real HP and less risk of breaking s*** up since Power starts and ends up where the fun is at, 4k to 7k is where a fun car should make power, having a small fast spooling turbo is not worth it or fun at all. You can boost at 2k and runs out of air at 4k, but bulding strong boost from 4k all the way to 7k and same on upcoming gears is simply like i like it and how it feels .... INSANE , INSANE, INSANE !!!!!!!

 

[StealthWyvern]

I think a lot of it has to do with how you drive you car... Try subjectign yoru car to drag strip abuse like many others do on this forum who has broken s***. If you dump your clutch every time you get a chance of course crap is going to break! Even NA people have broken their trans ircc that is.


My question is.... How hard were you on your car with the stock internals and trans before any mods?

 

[LordWorm]

I think a lot of it has to do with how you drive you car... Try subjectign yoru car to drag strip abuse like many others do on this forum who has broken s***. If you dump your clutch every time you get a chance of course crap is going to break! Even NA people have broken their trans ircc that is.


My question is.... How hard were you on your car with the stock internals and trans before any mods?

me? not overly...considering i've not yet modded the trans. However the g-series box has never been proven as reliable at any meaningful power levels. (however a few years driving it in a spirited sense has taken its toll)

And lets face it, you dont go and do a 500hp turbo build and drive the car softly.

The mods to harden up the G-series are not cheap - surely its better to spend the same or less money on a box which is more likely to withstand the abuse its going to cop from a high output build.

 

[StealthWyvern]

me? not overly...considering i've not yet modded the trans. However the g-series box has never been proven as reliable at any meaningful power levels. (however a few years driving it in a spirited sense has taken its toll)

And lets face it, you dont go and do a 500hp turbo build and drive the car softly.

The mods to harden up the G-series are not cheap - surely its better to spend the same or less money on a box which is more likely to withstand the abuse its going to cop from a high output build.

Sorry, that was directed towards mazdaspeed20035. I agree however roll racing(only an example) isnt going to be anywhere near as hard on the car as from a stop. Just my opinion... I am by no means an expert or even a wannabe. Thats just how i see it.


Edit: Every car that I've owned adn ragged on it from a dead stop always had a ton of issues compared to the ones that I only rag on it from a dead stop every so often. Its just my personal experience( no I haven't owned anything considered high hp to rag on)

 

[LordWorm]

Sorry, that was directed towards mazdaspeed20035. I agree however roll racing(only an example) isnt going to be anywhere near as hard on the car as from a stop. Just my opinion... I am by no means an expert or even a wannabe. Thats just how i see it.


Edit: Every car that I've owned adn ragged on it from a dead stop always had a ton of issues compared to the ones that I only rag on it from a dead stop every so often. Its just my personal experience( no I haven't owned anything considered high hp to rag on)

Certainly..but
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theres a point where output will exceed the design limits so far (regardless of when you're belting the throttle), that the box will give up. Given the weakness of the G-series, i reckon if you're north of 350hp you're on borrowed time REGARDLESS of how you are driving it (unless you're poking around off boost the whole time).

also a correctly setup/thought out transmission build will run a slightly soft clutch, so its the clutch that gives up before the trans does (you run the clutch as a fuse as its a lot cheaper to replace than the gearbox). Not so soft that it doesn't hold the power, but soft enough that if you do hook up tight with too much power down it will slip and save the box.

I'm not suggesting everyone ditch the g-series. For most people, once hardened, it suppose it would be REASONABLY reliable - however if someone is going to the extent and expense that Mazdaspeed20035 is, it seems kind of silly to stick with a gearbox that is going to give problems at this output level. Surely its better to put a box that is more fit for purpose in, and then not have to worry about that...ever (and even if it did break, if you use something common like a corolla gearbox, with decent aftermarket support, so its cheaper - and you have more options).

My opinion only of course....

 

[BadBandar]

Mazdaspeed20035 - dude how often do you track ur car? I would guess u will need some sort of power at the lower rpms when u come around a turn. But in the straight away i think ur car will be a beast. Like u said, beating Lambo worthy. Just curious.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Mazdaspeed20035 - dude how often do you track ur car? I would guess u will need some sort of power at the lower rpms when u come around a turn. But in the straight away i think ur car will be a beast. Like u said, beating Lambo worthy. Just curious.

Well to be honest i've only taken my car to track once when i had Stock turbo i took it to a local 1/8 mile track and did 4 passes back in Miami, car was making 249whp and i destroyed 3rd and 4th gears at the track.. Since then i did big turbo upgrade and all of the stuff most of you already know and tbk 3rd and 4th gears and everything have been working strong... Never had any issues with the engine or transmission, just the clucth that gave up on me when car did 515whp and 409 lbs torque on my last dyno, it started to slip because it was 2 years old and it was not ment to hold that much of torque........ My car has plenty of power at low rpms , it corners like no other, well like those Protege's that has GTspec all around and Tein Super Street Coilolvers, this thing is a beast on every aspect, i know this sounds bad when you talk about your own stuff but is how it is.. Good low end power, bad ass mid and insane top end.... I'm very happy i went the route i did, I love this Turbo it makes everything in the engine to work so good.. when i put it back together with Rich's Intake manifold, Lightweight Pulleys including crank, Better Pistons, Higher Boost this thing is going to be even more fun. i really take good care of everything i own, don't matter if you have a dragster if you beat the s*** out of it it will last the same as if you had a cheap car. I have taken good care of her and til today she have taken good care of me. Next time i post up a video will be at 35 Psi that's my goal. I don't care if i only make 50 HP more or less, i don't think i will, i think it will make more than that upping the boost with right tune, better intake manifold and lightweright pulleys.. all i want is to drive smooth and nice, to idle good, to look good and when ever i cruise around here in Spain people knows what my ride is all about.... haha My friend the one with the Gallardo his ass is still hurting !!!!! lol lol.... This is a fun Weekend car, not a daily driven anymore so it should last me longer than when i was living back at Miami, in here i have my working Van, my Family car and the MSP..

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Once again somebody deleted my 3rd Video, How Many Times do i have to Explain, i don't live in UNISTED STATES. i was not drag racing anybody or promoting street racing, That was done on a Spanish Private Road where there is a high speed limit.. This Is bulls*** for real.


I honestly don't understand what's going on in this damn country where everything is taken so damn personal, serious and offensive..........

I wonder who deleted and why !!!!!!


THIS IS bulls*** FOR REAL.......

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

I'M The one that deleted it. I dont give a s*** where you live, racing on the street(with speeds of 150mph?!?) like that is just that and is NOT tollerated here and you've been told that before. I suggest you drop it, and drop it now.

Once again somebody deleted my 3rd Video, How Many Times do i have to Explain, i don't live in UNISTED STATES. i was not drag racing anybody or promoting street racing, That was done on a Spanish Private Road where there is a high speed limit.. This Is bulls*** for real.


I honestly don't understand what's going on in this damn country where everything is taken so damn personal, serious and offensive..........

I wonder who deleted and why !!!!!!


THIS IS bulls*** FOR REAL.......

 

[tunersteve]

...buddy.

 

[GoFast]

(lol2)

...buddy.

 

[Maxx Mazda]

Yeap... check out the level of internal lightening CP go through as well - they will cut everything out of the piston they can, that is not structural to the design... its called "maximum internal lightening"...so you get an ultra strong, ultra LIGHT piston at the end of it. Good stuff.

Good choice on the CP's Maxx....

as for the gears - the stock tranny is only going to put up with so much abuse before it dies. The weakness is that the case twists. You can keep modding it and modding it to reinforce it but eventually if you throw enough power at it, its going to let go - regardless of where the power comes on.

Better alternative is to investigate a transmission from another manufacturer (toyota perhaps) and have an adapter made up. Initial cost will be higher than a protege tranny build (because custom clutch, flywheel modification, shift linkages, new shifter and so forth) - but they will put up with more abuse, and more importantly, are far cheaper to replace if they do die.

Playing with the G-series tranny is heartbreak waiting to happen. No matter how much you spend on cryo treating, straight car par gear sets, LSDs, reinforcing the bearing cups, and whatever else you can dream of - its eventually going to break... its not a case of if, its a case of when.

I've bronen 2 differentials, one pinion shaft and one LSD ring gear. I suspect I had the trans shimmed a tad too loose, so when I put it back together I shimmed everything up a few thou and it seems better. It's still a ticking time bomb though.

I've kept my axles as a "fuse." The MSP axles are too strong in my opinion. I'd rather blow a CV joint at the track, and be able to repalce it the next day with parts from NAPA (if I'm that desperate) and be on my way. I might even buy a spare set of half shafts for when that happens.

I agree on the CP's they're top notch. To Mazdaspeed2oo35, you should get those instead of Arias. Much better piston.

By the way, cryo treating is complete and utter bulls***. Sorry if you wasted your money.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I've bronen 2 differentials, one pinion shaft and one LSD ring gear. I suspect I had the trans shimmed a tad too loose, so when I put it back together I shimmed everything up a few thou and it seems better. It's still a ticking time bomb though.

I've kept my axles as a "fuse." The MSP axles are too strong in my opinion. I'd rather blow a CV joint at the track, and be able to repalce it the next day with parts from NAPA (if I'm that desperate) and be on my way. I might even buy a spare set of half shafts for when that happens.

I agree on the CP's they're top notch. To Mazdaspeed2oo35, you should get those instead of Arias. Much better piston.

By the way, cryo treating is complete and utter bulls***. Sorry if you wasted your money.

I was going to get Wiseco, but know im damn confused... What should i get then, Arias, Wiseco, CP, JE........ any advice Maxx, you all know what im looking for and what i have done... Also, where can i get a quote for a set of custom pistons ? I need them 0.40over and 8.5 Compression.... do you know from who or where i can get a quote Thanks.

 

[tunersteve]

I was going to get Wiseco, but know im damn confused... What should i get then, Arias, Wiseco, CP, JE........ any advice Maxx, you all know what im looking for and what i have done... Also, where can i get a quote for a set of custom pistons ? I need them 0.40over and 8.5 Compression.... do you know from who or where i can get a quote Thanks.

I've bronen 2 differentials, one pinion shaft and one LSD ring gear. I suspect I had the trans shimmed a tad too loose, so when I put it back together I shimmed everything up a few thou and it seems better. It's still a ticking time bomb though.

I've kept my axles as a "fuse." The MSP axles are too strong in my opinion. I'd rather blow a CV joint at the track, and be able to repalce it the next day with parts from NAPA (if I'm that desperate) and be on my way. I might even buy a spare set of half shafts for when that happens.

I agree on the CP's they're top notch. To Mazdaspeed2oo35, you should get those instead of Arias. Much better piston.

By the way, cryo treating is complete and utter bulls***. Sorry if you wasted your money.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I really dont get or understand your reply..

 

[Protege03ak46]

basically, hes pointing out that. maxx already said go with cp's over Arias, Wiseco, ECT.

 

[Wagonbacker9]

he said: get arias.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

This piston thing is getting on my nerves,,, now i dont know what to get. I need something that will last and hold what we are going for.... I had Arias before and they were rock solid, they holded what car did on last dyno... Some say Wiseco is the best, some say Arias, now CP...... wtf ???????????????????

 

[tunersteve]

I really dont get or understand your reply..

I highlighted the answers to your questions that had already been answered...in case you didn't notice, he said to get CP.