Forums and the young

[jbiird317]

well this thread WAS civil, now are you guys trying to prove me wrong?? lets keep this under control because its an important subject for high performance car owners like us

 

[Bravnik]

Sorry man...not trying to be uncivil.

 

[HIGHBRED8]

you know, yes it probably was not the best idea to give someone that young that much of a car, not just for the power factor but also if he has an m5 at 18
then what will he expect to have at 21 etc. personally i think you need to learn the value of things to respect them. thats the prob i have with giving teenagers car like this. but in the end like its been said. he can vote, smoke, go to war he can take responsibility for this. and i see a lot of bashing when such things happen but when people here post videos of how fast they can get to 140 mph everyone says yay wow your car is sick or i want those mods. that to me is just as irresponsible. so its an extremely sad fate for him and his friends, even more so for their parents. but it wont be the last and in my work i see it first hand because i have to go get them and see the horrific faces of everyone involved first hand. unless you have experienced this then have a heart and try to not be so harsh.

 

[wolverine_man]

Can we again reiterate that this was NOT the kid's car, but, rather, a car lent to him my his parents.

 

[HIGHBRED8]

either way my point is the guy was old enough to take responsibility. granted it wasnt the brightest choice the parents could of made but at 18 you can take responsibility for this.

 

[JamJam]

either way my point is the guy was old enough to take responsibility. granted it wasnt the brightest choice the parents could of made but at 18 you can take responsibility for this.

Thats the main point! HE IS 18 and an ADULT....where is the confusion here? I'm sorry but at 18 my Parents trusted me and they had no reason not too. I understand some people on here cannot understand that someone is capable of making their owns decisions at the age of 18 and be responsible for that decision. NO ONE on here knows this kid, the parents or the life they led. I don't care what kind of car was used in this unfortunate incident but it had nothing to do with the car itself. It had to do with the DECISION the 18 year old ADULT made. It makes no difference if he was doing 150 on that runway or 90, he would have been just as dead in a metro or a M5 and since no one here KNOWS the situation and why he was out there than we cant blame anyone but the 18 Year old ADULT that made this mistake.

I don't know maybe i just look at 18 year old ADULTS a little differently than most. I mean they can die for this country, Vote, and face the death penalty if they murder someone. Why is it so hard to believe a 18 year old ADULT can not make a responsible decision. Yes there are kids out there that should never be behind the wheel of a car like that, I can say the same thing about some or most ADULTS.

He is recognized by law to be an ADULT so why is it so hard for us to do the same. In my book all ADULTS are responsible for their decisions no matter who supplies the tool they use to follow through with their decision.

 

[3.slow]

Well put.

 

[lc_MS3]

Ah you might want to read the forum posts? You're not saying anything any different than he did at all. Truth is not an Asshole thing to say...it's called the truth.

The kid said, "I never said I didn't respect your wisdom. Thanks for the welcome, and I am looking forward to getting to know you guys better...and I plan to have all the pics up tomorrow. Josh." I didn't say anything of the sort.

well this thread WAS civil, now are you guys trying to prove me wrong?? lets keep this under control because its an important subject for high performance car owners like us

As Bravnik said, not trying to make the thread uncivil, but what he said basically implied that he thought I was going to die tonight. And to me that is a pretty messed up thing to say to anyone. Do you disagree?

Thats the main point! HE IS 18 and an ADULT....where is the confusion here? I'm sorry but at 18 my Parents trusted me and they had no reason not too. I understand some people on here cannot understand that someone is capable of making their owns decisions at the age of 18 and be responsible for that decision. NO ONE on here knows this kid, the parents or the life they led. I don't care what kind of car was used in this unfortunate incident but it had nothing to do with the car itself. It had to do with the DECISION the 18 year old ADULT made. It makes no difference if he was doing 150 on that runway or 90, he would have been just as dead in a metro or a M5 and since no one here KNOWS the situation and why he was out there than we cant blame anyone but the 18 Year old ADULT that made this mistake.

I don't know maybe i just look at 18 year old ADULTS a little differently than most. I mean they can die for this country, Vote, and face the death penalty if they murder someone. Why is it so hard to believe a 18 year old ADULT can not make a responsible decision. Yes there are kids out there that should never be behind the wheel of a car like that, I can say the same thing about some or most ADULTS.

He is recognized by law to be an ADULT so why is it so hard for us to do the same. In my book all ADULTS are responsible for their decisions no matter who supplies the tool they use to follow through with their decision.

Thank you. Can this argument be put to rest until the next crash made public?

 

[HIGHBRED8]

+1

 

[JamJam]

The kid said, "I never said I didn't respect your wisdom. Thanks for the welcome, and I am looking forward to getting to know you guys better...and I plan to have all the pics up tomorrow. Josh." I didn't say anything of the sort.



As Bravnik said, not trying to make the thread uncivil, but what he said basically implied that he thought I was going to die tonight. And to me that is a pretty messed up thing to say to anyone. Do you disagree?



Thank you. Can this argument be put to rest until the next crash made public?

This forum and group of people on here are awesome! This is a very sensitive subject and everyone handled themselves with maturity and respect!

 

[nealric]

Thats the main point! HE IS 18 and an ADULT....where is the confusion here? I'm sorry but at 18 my Parents trusted me and they had no reason not too. I understand some people on here cannot understand that someone is capable of making their owns decisions at the age of 18 and be responsible for that decision. NO ONE on here knows this kid, the parents or the life they led. I don't care what kind of car was used in this unfortunate incident but it had nothing to do with the car itself. It had to do with the DECISION the 18 year old ADULT made. It makes no difference if he was doing 150 on that runway or 90, he would have been just as dead in a metro or a M5 and since no one here KNOWS the situation and why he was out there than we cant blame anyone but the 18 Year old ADULT that made this mistake.

I don't know maybe i just look at 18 year old ADULTS a little differently than most. I mean they can die for this country, Vote, and face the death penalty if they murder someone. Why is it so hard to believe a 18 year old ADULT can not make a responsible decision. Yes there are kids out there that should never be behind the wheel of a car like that, I can say the same thing about some or most ADULTS.

He is recognized by law to be an ADULT so why is it so hard for us to do the same. In my book all ADULTS are responsible for their decisions no matter who supplies the tool they use to follow through with their decision.

While I agree with your opinion to some extent, it bears noting that the law in many cases does provide for parental liability even if the the child is an adult under the doctrines of negligent entrustment and family purpose (and possibly several others).

The precise extent this can happen varies state to state, but it is not an uncommon occurrence.

(This is not legal advice)

 

[JamJam]

While I agree with your opinion to some extent, it bears noting that the law in many cases does provide for parental liability even if the the child is an adult under the doctrines of negligent entrustment and family purpose (and possibly several others).

The precise extent this can happen varies state to state, but it is not an uncommon occurrence.

(This is not legal advice)

LOL thanks for the advice.!!!!! Can I call you if I ever make the wrong decision, or should I just blame it on my parents, I mean I am 33 maybe they can be a little responsible for something I do wrong.....Just a little

 

[nealric]

OL thanks for the advice.!!!!! Can I call you if I ever make the wrong decision, or should I just blame it on my parents, I mean I am 33 maybe they can be a little responsible for something I do wrong.....Just a little

Ahh... but there is the fun concept of joint and several liability. You and your parents could both, at the same time, be completely liable for something you did and they enabled (obviously under only very specific circumstances).

But, no, get a real lawyer if you get into trouble. I am still in law school.

 

[JamJam]

Ahh... but there is the fun concept of joint and several liability. You and your parents could both, at the same time, be completely liable for something you did and they enabled (obviously under only very specific circumstances).

But, no, get a real lawyer if you get into trouble. I am still in law school.

Just means I get a Discount!

 

[Bravnik]

Basically I'm done with this thread. Those that support the parents in there decision are all likely under 25 if not under 20. That in itself should tell you something.

Parents that buy their 16year old kids a sports car in my mind are irresponsible and taking a RISK with their kids lives by introducing a TEMPTATION that really does not need to be there. Period.

So anyway guys. If your 16-18 and drive a sports car. GL and Drive safe.

 

[Sveivo]

Very sad, sorry to read this.

 

[JamJam]

Basically I'm done with this thread. Those that support the parents in there decision are all likely under 25 if not under 20. That in itself should tell you something.

Parents that buy their 16year old kids a sports car in my mind are irresponsible and taking a RISK with their kids lives by introducing a TEMPTATION that really does not need to be there. Period.

So anyway guys. If your 16-18 and drive a sports car. GL and Drive safe.

Nope 33......Parents, what parents? I thought we were talking about an 18 year old that made the wrong decision. Don't see what age has to do with it anyways.....I can see you have little if no respect for peoples opinions if they are under a certain age!

That in itself should tell you something!

If I have taken your post the wrong way then I apologize.

 

[lc_MS3]

Nope 33......Parents, what parents? I thought we were talking about an 18 year old that made the wrong decision. Don't see what age has to do with it anyways.....I can see you have little if no respect for peoples opinions if they are under a certain age!

That in itself should tell you something!

If I have taken your post the wrong way then I apologize.

Finally someone with a brain who can agree here.

 

[jbiird317]

Nope 33......Parents, what parents? I thought we were talking about an 18 year old that made the wrong decision. Don't see what age has to do with it anyways.....I can see you have little if no respect for peoples opinions if they are under a certain age!

That in itself should tell you something!

If I have taken your post the wrong way then I apologize.

the only reason that age comes into play is because of lack of driving experience. This person was really not displaying a whole lot of adult behavior. Yes he is old enough to vote, die for his country, etc...but taking ur dad's car, bragging it is yours, then driving it recklessly while endangering other people, this is not exactly what i would call responsible behavior. I am not blaming anyone but the driver here, but I think that this situation couldve been avoided (or at least reduced the risk) had the parents recognized that their child was irresponsible and not given him the keys to a 300+ HP car.

 

[happy and angry]

Basically I'm done with this thread. Those that support the parents in there decision are all likely under 25 if not under 20.

Wrong.

That in itself should tell you something.

What does it tell us when it is wrong, exactly?

Parents that buy their 16year old kids a sports car

This article was about an 18 year old - legally an adult - who BORROWED their parents car.

in my mind are irresponsible and taking a RISK with their kids lives by introducing a TEMPTATION that really does not need to be there. Period.

AGREED, but that's not what happened here. This was not a story about a minor driving around in his own sporty car. This was a story about an 18 year old driving around in their parents car, lying about who owned it on a message board to fit into a community, and who made some stupid choices. Was it too much car for him? Almost definitely - an M5 is too much car for almost anyone. Was it his parents fault he crashed the car? No more than it is the parents fault in any other accident where a child borrows a vehicle, either slow or fast.

Friends of mine have doctors for parents, and have always had SL's and A6's to drive, even when they were young drivers. Probably too much car for a young driver, but that's what they had. Their parents did everything they could to teach them personal responsibility, maturity, good decision making, all those little qualities that contribute to you being safe behind the wheel, and when they were legally able to drive on their own (usually around 18 in Ontario), did they go out and buy a slower, cheaper car? No, they trusted their kids with the vehicles they had, hoping that what they'd passed on to their kids had stuck. My friends are still alive, although there was a fender bender or two. Must have been the parents fault, though...

So anyway guys. If your 16-18 and drive a sports car. GL and Drive safe.

Agreed.