Um...he's getting a fully built block. That basically requires a full standalone EMS system. And with this setup, OF COURSE he'll need EMS to even run... and he'll be dominating 250hp, considering he was more than that on the stock turbo at 14psi. But you are right with one thing, quaife's are hawt. (eyeballs)
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Um...he's getting a fully built block. That basically requires a full standalone EMS system. And with this setup, OF COURSE he'll need EMS to even run... and he'll be dominating 250hp, considering he was more than that on the stock turbo at 14psi. But you are right with one thing, quaife's are hawt. (eyeballs)
+1 for some competition... although the mazdaspeed lsd when welded is fair game, only $100 to get welded. thrash that s***.
Definately get it done if you can get it for free. Do all of it together if you have the option, forged motor, welded LSD, clutch and lighter flywheel. It will save a lot on cost for labor and time. Even if you do it yourself it will save a lot of down time on the ca and frustration of havint to do things twice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq464GQ-brc
here are the vids I was talking about: 10.03QM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NVmw60mhtU
10.32
Good to know you want more then 300whp. Like I was saying before the ihi-vj11s can be found for $100-$150 in GREAT condition. If you sold your T25R for ~$500 you could get both of them and then have some money left over for manifolds. Helps keep the expense down. I know a guy putting down 272WTRQ with one vj-11/vj-17 hybrid on a "respatory challenged" 1.9l sohc cvh motor. With 2 hybrids I am sure you could put down 400+whp and have great power everywhere for the cheap. I would start with just the vj-11 though and then see if you even need the hybrid. Lots of probe/mx6 guys are running 13s with just one keep in mind.
here are the vids I was talking about: 10.03QM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NVmw60mhtU
10.32
Good to know you want more then 300whp. Like I was saying before the ihi-vj11s can be found for $100-$150 in GREAT condition. If you sold your T25R for ~$500 you could get both of them and then have some money left over for manifolds. Helps keep the expense down. I know a guy putting down 272WTRQ with one vj-11/vj-17 hybrid on a "respatory challenged" 1.9l sohc cvh motor. With 2 hybrids I am sure you could put down 400+whp and have great power everywhere for the cheap. I would start with just the vj-11 though and then see if you even need the hybrid. Lots of probe/mx6 guys are running 13s with just one keep in mind.
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Mazdaspeed2oo35 - Not sure how well you know these cars or not, but if you expect to make 500whp reliable and streetable in a protege, I think you're in for a rude awakening.
Even if you made that power level (very unlikely) the sacrifices you'd need to make to do so will make it drive poorly on the street.
Ask anyone who's been in my 19psi mp3. It's borderline retarded. If you truly want 500whp (or at least as close to that as you can get), start building it as a drag car, unless you want to fix it on a daily basis and have a car that's crummy to drive around town in.
Even if you made that power level (very unlikely) the sacrifices you'd need to make to do so will make it drive poorly on the street.
Ask anyone who's been in my 19psi mp3. It's borderline retarded. If you truly want 500whp (or at least as close to that as you can get), start building it as a drag car, unless you want to fix it on a daily basis and have a car that's crummy to drive around town in.
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600whp - 600wtq at 30 PSI
Well Like I said Before.. 500whp at full boost.. i'll have around 390-400 daily driven. depending of what TBK Desires whats best for daily driving. I can Choose with the boost controler low boost and hi boost, obviously im not going to run everyday 500 to the wheels but at full boost that's what im going to have available when i want or need them...
I know a guy with a PDA setup in his car to switch between ECU tuning charts on the fly for daily driving and for racing
mostly cause he drives a massive truck (it still hauls ass) and he needs to save gas...but you get the idea...street is possible, but you cant run full race tune on the street
mostly cause he drives a massive truck (it still hauls ass) and he needs to save gas...but you get the idea...street is possible, but you cant run full race tune on the street
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Well. As far as the tranny goes. There is alway the option of other transmission. Have an adapter plate made and bingo. Obviously there is more to it than that but you get the idea.
There will alway the neh sayers. but a small niche community/market like ares needs people who will push past the limits of what people think is the limit. Its the only way we can advance our cars. Especially since they arent being made anymore. Good luck with this and stay the course. Something I havent been able to do with my project. the last year suck for me as far as money goes. People want to see this happen, so ignore the people who say you cant.
There will alway the neh sayers. but a small niche community/market like ares needs people who will push past the limits of what people think is the limit. Its the only way we can advance our cars. Especially since they arent being made anymore. Good luck with this and stay the course. Something I havent been able to do with my project. the last year suck for me as far as money goes. People want to see this happen, so ignore the people who say you cant.
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one way you can deal with the traction issue would be to install a new diff that would give you longer gearing. That would be a major benefit if you got the quiffe, you could get the diff the size you want. Also GTX/R gears are a cheap upgrade especially if you already had the trans apart from doing the diff. Your welded diff could be sold to recoupe some of the quife cost. I put an old 626 diff in a Escort GT years ago, really helped with traction. 2nd gear went to ~125KMPH, 4th to ~200KM. Never got to the end of 5th, speedo started turning around though. 1st was great for launches even with no LSD, though we sure werent trying to launch 400WHP..
It's not the diff that decides the gearing it's the ring gear or the ring and pinion or the gears themselves.
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I am not sure if i am right, but just a few thoughts bouncing in my head for Traction for that much HP...
Someone else here said the DIFF and Gears and all that. i would totally do that (maybe Cryo treat them too), i also know that having them straight cut vs the regular like angle cut (on the gears themselves) can also increase strength but also create a whine too.
Also maybe for a ECU (something like a haltech, where if you get the haltech boost controller for example) you can control boost BY GEAR so maybe limit 1st gear to like 8psi to help with launching, the only problem i see here thats not solved is when you get up to speed and you reef the pedal then you get spinning wheels, BUT i am thinking to combat that since (not sure how many of you took physics or anything) but when you gun it like that the weight distributes unevenly (basically you stomp on the gas and the weight gets pushed to the rear of the car, hence why RWD cars have better traction theres an inherent increase in downforce for them on the rear power tires). So maybe have some sorta REAL stiff springs/shocks/coilovers so the back end of the car wont 'squat' as much (should keep some of the force in the front) also add a engine brace, stiffer/solid engine mounts.
Also if you have cash and the time/patience/etc etc see a way to modify the stock front hubs/axels/drive axels so you can fit larger width tires in the front. increase the footprint (amount of rubber on the floor) and hence you automatically increase the amount of traction you have.
i dunno these are just some idea's i have... maybe right maybe wrong.. maybe it will help
Someone else here said the DIFF and Gears and all that. i would totally do that (maybe Cryo treat them too), i also know that having them straight cut vs the regular like angle cut (on the gears themselves) can also increase strength but also create a whine too.
Also maybe for a ECU (something like a haltech, where if you get the haltech boost controller for example) you can control boost BY GEAR so maybe limit 1st gear to like 8psi to help with launching, the only problem i see here thats not solved is when you get up to speed and you reef the pedal then you get spinning wheels, BUT i am thinking to combat that since (not sure how many of you took physics or anything) but when you gun it like that the weight distributes unevenly (basically you stomp on the gas and the weight gets pushed to the rear of the car, hence why RWD cars have better traction theres an inherent increase in downforce for them on the rear power tires). So maybe have some sorta REAL stiff springs/shocks/coilovers so the back end of the car wont 'squat' as much (should keep some of the force in the front) also add a engine brace, stiffer/solid engine mounts.
Also if you have cash and the time/patience/etc etc see a way to modify the stock front hubs/axels/drive axels so you can fit larger width tires in the front. increase the footprint (amount of rubber on the floor) and hence you automatically increase the amount of traction you have.
i dunno these are just some idea's i have... maybe right maybe wrong.. maybe it will help
I gave him a broken EGT box and a old carbed motor 626 box. He said he took the diff from the 626 and the gears from the egt. guess he swapped the ring gear or ring and pinion. I know the gears are from the EGT box.
the green EGT smoking the newer supra on youtube is tarmactr from feoa.net He really knows his stuff.
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GOSH, thank you fisherman 
really honestly thank you, i don't know what happened here, if you guys could please just go back and delete all the fight comments i will really appreciate that, thank you
OK, traction, i HAVE the Apexi AVC-R, it has boost by gear and boost by RPM, i will use it, i have my traction right there, done, i've already mentioned that the EMS i'm getting has a launch funcion if i do wanna do some races, traction there too, i'm thinking this build thru ok, FOR ME IT"S NOT A WASTE OF ANYTHING, so please please just let me have my time, i'm doing the sequential setup and i'm probably gonna use my stock turbo and get a bigger brother for it, that way i don't need any custom manifold, but i do have a guy that can build me one if i needed it, he will also build me all the tubing i will need to join the two turbo's, he builds TT setups for Vipers so he knows what he's doing, he's a grumpy old man but there is no one else i'd rather have building these parts for me, this build is gonna take alot of patiants and time and MONEY but i won't be out of a car, i do get free rentals from work so having the car down won't be a total loss, thanks to every one who's sticking up for me, i really appretiate it
really honestly thank you, i don't know what happened here, if you guys could please just go back and delete all the fight comments i will really appreciate that, thank youOK, traction, i HAVE the Apexi AVC-R, it has boost by gear and boost by RPM, i will use it, i have my traction right there, done, i've already mentioned that the EMS i'm getting has a launch funcion if i do wanna do some races, traction there too, i'm thinking this build thru ok, FOR ME IT"S NOT A WASTE OF ANYTHING, so please please just let me have my time, i'm doing the sequential setup and i'm probably gonna use my stock turbo and get a bigger brother for it, that way i don't need any custom manifold, but i do have a guy that can build me one if i needed it, he will also build me all the tubing i will need to join the two turbo's, he builds TT setups for Vipers so he knows what he's doing, he's a grumpy old man but there is no one else i'd rather have building these parts for me, this build is gonna take alot of patiants and time and MONEY but i won't be out of a car, i do get free rentals from work so having the car down won't be a total loss, thanks to every one who's sticking up for me, i really appretiate it
I'm glad your thinking it through and ahead into the future. I hear you on trying to use the stock turbo as the primary but it may be a restriction at higher hp levels and also I doubt that the tubo manifold will be able to flow what you'll need for your goal. Just a thought, only time will tell what you finally decide and how it goes.
