Turbo Question

[brennan]

Hey guys

I was wondering, is there any other turbo kits coming out that are like the fm turbo
Keeping the emissions stuff intact? So that you can pass emissions.

I can't bring myself to pay $5600 canadian for a turbo, just too much, any cheaper but still good quality? or should I go N/A

Thanks

 

[Keith@FP]

Sometimes, you get what you pay for.

Keith

 

[spoolinmp3]

Sometimes, you get what you pay for.

Amen brother!

 

[Kooldino]

Go with a spool non intercooled starter kit if you want to save $. Performance isn't as good, but it's still good power for not TOO much $. Personally I'm waiting for a "deluxe" kit to come out...which doesn't include an FMU. Whatever happened to M2 performance?

 

[BK's black P5]

I sent an e-mail to Tripoint inquiring whether their kit is smog/carb legal since I am in California. There reply was a simple "yes".

 

[spoolinmp3]

Ask them if they have a CARB certified number for the kit, any kit can pass emmisions but CARB is a whole different story

 

[Keith@FP]

Tripoint was going to use an Aerodyne turbo - which is now extinct. So I doubt they can say anything definitive.

Almost any kit can be made to pass a "sniffer" test, which is far simpler than a CARB test. Usually that involves no more than testing tailpipe emissions at a set speed. Given decent tuning, it's not that hard to pass especially if you stay out of boost.

To get CARB certification, start-up emissions, cat light-up time, a "city cycle" test and even evaporative emissions overnight are tested. It's not really possible to pass if you remove a cat. I believe- but I'm not 100% sure - that the car has to stay in the same category. ie, a ULEV has to stay a ULEV. The MSP is a T-LEV, so it's certified with only one cat.

Keith

 

[70]

Tripoint was going to use an Aerodyne turbo - which is now extinct. So I doubt they can say anything definitive.

Almost any kit can be made to pass a "sniffer" test, which is far simpler than a CARB test. Usually that involves no more than testing tailpipe emissions at a set speed. Given decent tuning, it's not that hard to pass especially if you stay out of boost.

To get CARB certification, start-up emissions, cat light-up time, a "city cycle" test and even evaporative emissions overnight are tested. It's not really possible to pass if you remove a cat. I believe- but I'm not 100% sure - that the car has to stay in the same category. ie, a ULEV has to stay a ULEV. The MSP is a T-LEV, so it's certified with only one cat.

Keith

How the heck did Mazda pull off getting that car to pass with only one cat??

Money I guess...

 

[spoolinmp3]

How the heck did Mazda pull off getting that car to pass with only one cat??

No its just not a ULEV vehicle. Not all cars are ULEV and utilize one cat. But from my understanding, Kieth is correct stating ULEV has to stay a ULEV. The MSP is a T-LEV, so it's certified with only one cat.