US/IRAQ - how will it end?

[pingdum]

Since the UN won't do it and is Kofi Anan (sp?) is being investigated for fraud, yes...It becomes our job.

You're going to need a pretty big Army to do it, so you 18-25 y/os better get ready.

This is the second shell found in two weeks containing soem form of chemicla or nerve agent. The markings are gone, either worn off by time or removed for a reason. It came from known Iraqi stock piles. Where are the rest??

Just because it is easily treated doesn't make it any less severe, nor less dangerous.

I'm sure Saddam has chemical weapons(which he got from the US), he's used them before. We all know he has a destructive military bent, which we were happy to exploit when it suited us. But weapons of mass destruction as painted by the administration, nuclear bombs headed our way, a serious threat to the United States just did not or does not exist.

Wait and see what happens when the Iraqis take full control in June.

I got my bowl of popcorn ready. At 42 and a former Marine, I know I'm not going anywhere.

No DIRECT ties, that is true. What I stated is fact and truth. The terrorist organizations the Saddam gave money to, the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organiztion) and whatever his personal army was called had ties to Al Quaeda. It is a proven fact.

So, yes, Saddam has no DIRECT ties to Al Quaeda, as I said before, it is more like a close cousin kind of tie...

The truth is the Islamofacists hated Saddam Hussein and considered him a secular figure not in line with what they had in mind. I'm sure they all hung out at Islo-Arab Terror-con every year, but they were not in cohoots in the manner as was represented. They had very different ideologies.

 

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You're going to need a pretty big Army to do it, so you 18-25 y/os better get ready.

Not really. The one we have is doing just fine.

I'm sure Saddam has chemical weapons(which he got from the US), he's used them before. We all know he has a destructive military bent, which we were happy to exploit when it suited us. But weapons of mass destruction as painted by the administration, nuclear bombs headed our way, a serious threat to the United States just did not or does not exist.

If you say so. I consider it a serious threat when it directly effects our interests in the region. But oh well. Different points of view I guess.

I got my bowl of popcorn ready. At 42 and a former Marine, I know I'm not going anywhere.

The truth is the Islamofacists hated Saddam Hussein and considered him a secular figure not in line with what they had in mind. I'm sure they all hung out at Islo-Arab Terror-con every year, but they were not in cohoots in the manner as was represented. They had very different ideologies.

Working towards the same goal...The Iraqi people are fed up with both Saddam's BS and now the clerics BS. Fact remains, Iraqi's want us there and we are doing well.

 

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Both of you have strong points but whats really starting to bother me, is that talk abotu a draft! Apparently we are running out of troops in iraq and are in desperate need of relieving the ones over there.
Im a strong republican but if Bush doesn't promise there won't be a draft than I migh thave to go for Kerry in the fall, because now there is no way out of it. Even if you are in your last year of Med-school or have just gotten into college you have a chance to be drafted which is s***.

I wouldnt lose any sleep. They have talked about drafts during every war or conflict. The truth is we have a shortage but they havent fully dipped into the reserves or weekend warriors so its highly unlikely.

 

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I wouldnt lose any sleep. They have talked about drafts during every war or conflict. The truth is we have a shortage but they havent fully dipped into the reserves or weekend warriors so its highly unlikely.

The Marine Corps is still the only service to meet its recruiting requirements month after month for the past several years...

Thanks to the wonderful Clinton, the armed services have had to rely on the reserves and national guard much more than in the past. However, it tends to be the same units activated for every conflict.

My unit was activated for Iraqi Freedom, the first time in forty years to be activated. The last war my unti went to was Korea...

 

[Mercure]

Hmmm, considering the cleric running the town is a religous fanatic and propagates terrorist acts, that makes them terrorsts inside the country...Wouldn't it?

Suppose that being part of the insurgency makes one a terrorist (this argument could also be made about most resistances - say, Vietnam or Ireland). You said "the Iraqi people don't want us out. The terrorist organziations do." That's was what I was responding to. What if Iraqis are part of the insurgency?

Why are kids throwing stones and Iraqis going on record as saying they want us the hell out, or that we deserve what we get? Comparing this to the crusades? Do you seriously think that the prison abuse didn't raise any serious reservations in any Iraqis, or motivate anyone to aid or join the insurgents? Surely, the Arab world is happier with us than ever, especially Iraqis, who (except for some Baathists and Sunnis and Terrorists) wouldn't dream of attacking US troops, or helping the people who do. I'm sure the insurgency isn't getting any support from local populations, unless of course terrorists are holding guns to their heads.

Occupations have been happening for centuries. It would be unprecedented if this resistance didn't have any support from the people being occupied, especially given the extreme religious and cultural differences. And in fact there are a lot of indications that Iraqis are not happy. I can't say it's hard to see why they'd be unhappy with us. No one likes being occupied, and neither would you. If you were occupied by Arabs you'd probably be bombing them or cheering on the people who were. I hope so.

That doesn't necessarily reflect on the goodness of the war, but it does make things complicated and unsatisfying. Which they are, and which is the main reason people draw comparisons with Vietnam - not the number of deaths, or exact location of the conflict, etc.

Who said it was just remnants of Saddam's morons?

1. People in this thread: "The groups (who are mostly militia left over from the Saddam Riegn)"
2. Mouthpieces of the administration and the news, but it got more emphasis earlier in the war. Then it was foreigners from Iran, and just the sunnis. That explained the resistance continuing after 'mission accomplished' to everyone here. Now we have terrorism.

Look, call them whatever you want. But if there isn't any Iraqi support for the insurgency, there's a lot of explaining to do, because that really seems to be in total contradiction with what is going on, and with what Iraqis are regularly published as saying.

This isn't even the point... no one ever said the reason we are in Iraq is for the pleasure of the Iraqis. The justifications usually given are ties to al Qaeda, biological and nuclear weapons, and Saddam's abuses of Kurds, Shias, etc.; his oppressive regime. If these are good justifications, they are good whether or not Abu Ali wants us out (because the Mosque has a hole in it and he feels humiliated, or whatever.)

 

[pingdum]

Thanks to the wonderful Clinton, the armed services have had to rely on the reserves and national guard much more than in the past. However, it tends to be the same units activated for every conflict.

In the post cold-war world, everyone in Government was focused on reducing the military. To blame it solely on Clinton is just unfair.

 

[MazdaNeal]

Noone is arguing that Saddam is a jerk, but are we going to make it the US's job to take out every two-bit dictator in the world?

Still haven't been found. That bomb contained serin(sp?) a mild toxin with an easy antidote.

Bush and Rumsfeld have both admitted that Saddam had no ties to al Quaeda, yet people still tout this line.

Actually, a very small amount of Serin gas can kill thousands of people, and the easy antidote, if you can get it and take it in 10 min! Have you never read exactly what it does and how it works? Odorless and colorless, howbout we put you in a room with some and see how long you live? When you sense it you ask for the antidote ok?

Also saddam is no two bit dictator, he killed hundreds of thousands of people!

 

[Mercure]

There are lots of dictators who kill thousands of people. IIRC, our record on displacing them is spotty. There are even more non-dictatorial governments which are responsible for killing people, human rights abuses, and some are allies. (Saddam killed Kurds. So does Turkey.) That doesn't mean it isn't a really excellent thing for everyone that Saddam has been removed, though.