US/IRAQ - how will it end?

[Micah]

And to answer the original question:it won't.
I hope all you people who are so upset about our people dying over there were the same ones who were protesting the invasian to begin with, the entire thing is turning out excatly as predicted, who would've thought? Apparently not our so called leaders.

Military Intelligence.

That's the argument. Political Intelligence could come into it, but really the people who are in charge in Politics are still using the information provided to them by the Military. I suppose the blame can be shared 50/50.

I don't think I would be able to make any better decisions. The thing is, I know that - and I'm not about to try. So kudos to them for having the balls to actually step up and make global impact decisions.

I'll just work and pay taxes. I'm a bare minimum kind of guy when it comes to patriotism. Hell, I have no love, or hate for this country. It's just where I am. I'm a registered gun owner, but I've never had any intentions of going to war. Guns were just a fun hobby to get into. I'm planning on purchasing a Sig P226 this winter, but who knows. Don't really need it. But then I don't really need much. "Wants" however, are a differint story.

I have friends who are in the service, and I support them fully, they are doing their job. But just like any other job, I wouldn't hate my friends if they quit a job because they no longer enjoyed it.

 

[SpeedMcheen]

I think we should "stay the course" and keep moving the process forward, and instill democracy then democratic values will flourish thorugh Iraq. The terrorists will not last much longer there. They are few and far between and they are losing. The will of the Iraqi and American people will overcome the terrorists' measly deathful principals.

I think America's presence will and should remain at least another couple of years. We American citizens should continue to support our troops and the cause and benifits that will be reaped by all from this challenge in Iraq. As the process moves forward, and Iraq becomes more self-sustainable, our troops presence will naturally diminish to a final end.

On an important note, I wish George Bush Jr's privalliged ass out of the White House. Basically, he has undertaken something not many presidents would really be willing to do, albeit for some both controvercial and well-hearted reasons. And he fixed his fathers mistake in a sence. He and his administration have just lacked in ways that have affected the whole of America, and our future as well. It is time to bring a fiscally responsible president and administration into office. One that will be mindfull of the course in Iraq, and to put center-stage, the much larger problems that affect America, Earth, and all her citizens.

 

[Micah]

http://dearraed.blogspot.com

read that for a few weeks - learn what it's like over there. Go back a year and read, go back a year further. Blogs rule.

 

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Who is making the uneducated decision?

Those who have no clue what they are talking about! Those who argue what someone else stated on the news to sound smart. Those who hear one story and go with it. Unless you've been there and seen first hand what is going on... You dont have the entire view. Sure youve seen it on TV blah blah blah..... but trust me BAD NEWS SELLS.....People who hear something and all of a sudden become a informed interpreter of the situation piss me off. (headshake

 

[Matthew]

(werd)

ive been saying this for over a year on this forum.

 

[ghetto waggon]

turns out my buddy is alright

finally got track of him, back in US military hospital.

the shrapnel tore him up BAD

 

[Togan]

america needs to get out..bush's dad was friends with osamas parents, so they need to kick bush out of presidence.. eventually iraq will stop.. i hope

 

[ghetto waggon]

agreed

enough money has been spent!

 

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Wow,

so its that simple then huh... no offense but dont speak on matters that are above your head. It just makes you look stupid. Im not trying to be a dick, just telling the truth.

 

[70]

Its been said already, but the Iraqi people don't want us out. The terrorist organziations do.

There is no way to pull out fast. Kerry won't be able to do it. Bush can't do it. The Army needs to get in there and get the terrorist organizations out. The Marine Corps is back, so they'll probably end up doing it.

I think this whole thing has shown that the Army needs to redefine its mission and change some things around.

As for calling this another Vietnam, that is dumb. This is nothing like Vietnam, nor will it be. The media is simply trying to make this into more than it really is. How many people died in Vietnam daily? How many die in iraq daily? Get the picture?

 

[Mercure]

The people who want US troops out (and are fighting US troops) just HAVE to be remnants of the Saddam regime or foreign terrorists, right? There couldn't be any ordinary Iraqi insurgents in, say, Falluja - could there? Shucks.

 

[MazdaSpeeder00]

most of them are loyalists to Saddam but you have to remember that there are people in this world who hate us simply for what we have. Most of the Iraqi's are smart enough to realize that that is what we are trying to help the get closer too. But im speaking from experience. You cant pull us all out of there or it will be worst than it is now.

 

[70]

The people who want US troops out (and are fighting US troops) just HAVE to be remnants of the Saddam regime or foreign terrorists, right? There couldn't be any ordinary Iraqi insurgents in, say, Falluja - could there? Shucks.

Hmmm, considering the cleric running the town is a religous fanatic and propagates terrorist acts, that makes them terrorsts inside the country...Wouldn't it?

Who said it was just remnants of Saddam's morons?

 

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Hmmm, considering the cleric running the town is a religous fanatic and propagates terrorist acts, that makes them terrorsts inside the country...Wouldn't it?

Who said it was just remnants of Saddam's morons?

Give em a break lol... All they no is what our wonderful news says... (smash)

 

[batmang]

all i can say is, too many people are dying for stupid mistakes. get bush out of office for **** sake. hes is a god damn idiot.

 

[70]

all i can say is, too many people are dying for stupid mistakes. get bush out of office for **** sake. hes is a god damn idiot.

Who are you going to replace him with? An idiot like Kerry? Who can't take a position on anything, who can't make up his mind whether he really threw his medals over the fence, etc, etc...

What was a stupid mistake? Taking Saddam out of power? Going into Iraq for WMDs (which I recently heard a road side bomb might have contained something)? Going into Iraq for knowing Saddam had ties to Al Quaeda through the various terrorist organizations he funded with the money he received int he food for oil program? Money given to him by the French and Germans?

Whatever...

 

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Who are you going to replace him with? An idiot like Kerry? Who can't take a position on anything, who can't make up his mind whether he really threw his medals over the fence, etc, etc...

What was a stupid mistake? Taking Saddam out of power? Going into Iraq for WMDs (which I recently heard a road side bomb might have contained something)? Going into Iraq for knowing Saddam had ties to Al Quaeda through the various terrorist organizations he funded with the money he received int he food for oil program? Money given to him by the French and Germans?

Whatever...

Thank you!!! and Batmang you are a dipshit!! I have a feeling that most the people in here just go off of what they overhear mom and dad talking about. This whole issue should have been dealt with a long time ago. This issue has been known for decades but we had to wait until thousands die on our own homeland before we do anything about it.

 

[pingdum]

What was a stupid mistake? Taking Saddam out of power?

Noone is arguing that Saddam is a jerk, but are we going to make it the US's job to take out every two-bit dictator in the world?

Going into Iraq for WMDs (which I recently heard a road side bomb might have contained something)?

Still haven't been found. That bomb contained serin(sp?) a mild toxin with an easy antidote.

Going into Iraq for knowing Saddam had ties to Al Quaeda through the various terrorist organizations he funded with the money he received int he food for oil program? Money given to him by the French and Germans?

Bush and Rumsfeld have both admitted that Saddam had no ties to al Quaeda, yet people still tout this line.

 

[70]

Noone is arguing that Saddam is a jerk, but are we going to make it the US's job to take out every two-bit dictator in the world?

Since the UN won't do it and is Kofi Anan (sp?) is being investigated for fraud, yes...It becomes our job.

Still haven't been found. That bomb contained serin(sp?) a mild toxin with an easy antidote.

This is the second shell found in two weeks containing soem form of chemicla or nerve agent. The markings are gone, either worn off by time or removed for a reason. It came from known Iraqi stock piles. Where are the rest??

Just because it is easily treated doesn't make it any less severe, nor less dangerous.

Is it possible that factions of Saddam's failed regime have the weapons stock piled in moving parts so that it cannot be found by the US, but still readily available for use? YES!

Is that what is going on? I don't know, and no one else does for that matter. Saddam had plenty of time while dilly dallying around to hide or move everything out of the country, and with free open borders, its easy enough to truck this crap back in.

Wait and see what happens when the Iraqis take full control in June.

Bush and Rumsfeld have both admitted that Saddam had no ties to al Quaeda, yet people still tout this line.

No DIRECT ties, that is true. What I stated is fact and truth. The terrorist organizations the Saddam gave money to, the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organiztion) and whatever his personal army was called had ties to Al Quaeda. It is a proven fact.

So, yes, Saddam has no DIRECT ties to Al Quaeda, as I said before, it is more like a close cousin kind of tie...

 

[Brandon's PR5]

Both of you have strong points but whats really starting to bother me, is that talk abotu a draft! Apparently we are running out of troops in iraq and are in desperate need of relieving the ones over there.
Im a strong republican but if Bush doesn't promise there won't be a draft than I migh thave to go for Kerry in the fall, because now there is no way out of it. Even if you are in your last year of Med-school or have just gotten into college you have a chance to be drafted which is s***.