US/IRAQ - how will it end?

[Micah]

Hey, so I'm sitting here reading news articles and I started thinking about this.

How is this going to end?

Will the US triumph? I personally don't think so, but it could happen. The main problem is the spirit of the Iraqi people who are apparently unhappy at the current US occupation. No, not all of them, but enough that Armed Forces have been having a hard time.

The Iraqi people, which I think most would agree are slightly less civilized or at least more impovershed financially, are fighting on their home ground. The soldiers over there mostly want to come home, they are fighting for ideals, and a paycheck - away from home. These soldiers no doubt have thoughts of their families and friends which they are fighting to protect. The Iraqi uprising however is fighting for those very same things, but on their own soil.

If the US could just use sheer might to win this, it would be over by now. But the problem is that the US can't find a way to spin the news to cover what would basically entail mass genocide.

Meanwhile, the UK has been scaling back much faster than the US on both deployment and investments. I wonder what the next president will do?

Now for something wierd - if you've ever seen the web phenom known as "all your base are belong to us", then you should know the following line:

"Somebody set up us the bomb "

put the words in reverse order and you get: "Bomb the US up set somebody".

Are videogames to blame??? Could it be that the Terrorists have been playing Zero Wing?

But back to my original rant, how can the US pull this off?

 

[MarkSpark]

they need to start up elections and leave

 

[BlueMonsta]

US should back off and let UN handle it, hurry up with the iraq police.
And have the officers serving in IRAQ be people with the same background as iraqs so there will be less violence

 

[WheelManATX]

In the end they are going to set up pimp juice water fountain and let Rick James take over everything........

F**k yo couch

 

[Micah]

I'm Rick James b****!

 

[Micah]

US should back off and let UN handle it, hurry up with the iraq police.
And have the officers serving in IRAQ be people with the same background as iraqs so there will be less violence

Same background would be a bad idea. Grossly demoralizing to the troops, as well as a show of weakness.

Just my opinion.

 

[sidpro5]

My biggest concern is that when/if we pull out, let the Iraqi gov't take over, what will happen? Will all these "pockets of resistance" destroy the new gov't in an attempt to take over the country? Then, all of these people who are fighting us over being there and begging the US out, will b**** that we deserted a war-torn country, that, in their minds, we created. No matter what we do at this point, it's a "loss". If we stay, we lose more men and women who, in theory, are fighting to protect the rights of an oppressed people. If we leave, the country goes to the dogs (or the UN, take your pick) and we sustain a world-wide black eye. Not that I care what the French think, or the English for that matter. In my opinion, at this point, it really is a no-win situation. I would just rather suffer the political black eye and the loss of worldwide approval. All we can do is to support our troops and pray for their safe return home.

 

[Micah]

My biggest concern is that when/if we pull out, let the Iraqi gov't take over, what will happen? Will all these "pockets of resistance" destroy the new gov't in an attempt to take over the country? Then, all of these people who are fighting us over being there and begging the US out, will b**** that we deserted a war-torn country, that, in their minds, we created. No matter what we do at this point, it's a "loss". If we stay, we lose more men and women who, in theory, are fighting to protect the rights of an oppressed people. If we leave, the country goes to the dogs (or the UN, take your pick) and we sustain a world-wide black eye. Not that I care what the French think, or the English for that matter. In my opinion, at this point, it really is a no-win situation. I would just rather suffer the political black eye and the loss of worldwide approval. All we can do is to support our troops and pray for their safe return home.

Excellent reply - I am impressed.

I completely agree with you.

 

[sidpro5]

Excellent reply - I am impressed.

I completely agree with you.

I'm impressed that someone agrees with me.........................and suprised! lol
Seriously though, at the beginning of this campaign, I was all for doing away with Hussein by any means necessary. But this guerilla warfare s*** is just too much. When you can't defend yourselves because you don't know who or where it's coming from, the morale suffers. And when you can't protect yourself, how can you protect the people you've liberated (who don't want you there) and their fledgling gov't? It's time we seriously started thinking about saving our own asses and got as many of our people out of there as possible.

 

[gimpo2]

the whole iraq thing is starting to turn into another vietnam. the US has invested interest in Iraqi oil. no matter what the bush administration says oil is a big key factor... Iraq is the #2 oil producing country in the world, having a US friendly government in charge would be greatly benificial. but either way the US has invested was too much time and money to just give up and leave. as more and more service members get killed the more they're gonna send more troops... A US friendly government in that region of the world won't stand a chance in the state that Iraq is in right now. Look at Israel they get ****** with everyday. Alot of time, money, and lives are going to have to be invested. My personal opinion is that we should just pack up and leave and let those bastards kill themselves.

 

[StarvingRussian]

We can't save them, it will return to the way it was before, once we leave some jackass pussy cocksucker will come in and take over the country and they will be ****** again. I think that's what will happen.

 

[cyomega]

 

[StarvingRussian]

(laugh) (owned)

 

[Matthew]

if we simply leave, someone like saddam will just take over, and all the soldiers that have died would be a waste.

that being said, we need to hold elections and stay in Iraq in a supervisory and police role, but maintaining a firm grip, easing out of the country. you cant just pull out all the sudden, but you cant run the country forever either...

we need something like what we did with japan after WWII...keep in mind, that lasted a LONG time. everyone knows we'll be in Iraq for a LONG time. Hell, we still arent out of bosnia or kosovo, or even Korea for that matter.

 

[mypfizzle]

my idea.. the country is war torn and our troops are getting killed left and right.. i think we should give up on the idea of ground war and just bomb the s*** out fo the country.. the same people we are trying to protect are the ones shooting our soilders in the back. im sure most of the people that dont want to be there have left.. we just need to stop carring what the rest of the world things and blow that whole ******* country up. As bad as it sounds i have never seen anything good come from there.. the people cry about saddam.. and we go remove saddam and now they start shooting us in the back. i myself have had 2 friends wounded over there and feel very storngly about it.
so my vote is pull back.. demolish everything standing and sort the bodies out later.

 

[Micah]

my idea.. the country is war torn and our troops are getting killed left and right.. i think we should give up on the idea of ground war and just bomb the s*** out fo the country.. the same people we are trying to protect are the ones shooting our soilders in the back. im sure most of the people that dont want to be there have left.. we just need to stop carring what the rest of the world things and blow that whole ******* country up. As bad as it sounds i have never seen anything good come from there.. the people cry about saddam.. and we go remove saddam and now they start shooting us in the back. i myself have had 2 friends wounded over there and feel very storngly about it.
so my vote is pull back.. demolish everything standing and sort the bodies out later.

Regardless of your hate, the oil issue arises. If the US was to do that there would be a resulting shitstorm. While Iraq is not responsible for a great deal of US oil consumption, globally IRAQ is a valuable resource.

Here is the problem, if you nuke it, then it's unusable. So Nukes are out.

Bomb the hell out of the place, the people will still fight. So that's out.

Kill all the people - sure you will stop the fighting, but now the US has a black eye along the lines of hitlers germany - only worse for succeeding. Not to mention that someone would still need to go over there and work the oil. It will cost more to pay foreign workers to work on location than it will to pay local workers to work on location. Financially, such a thing just isn't viable. So that's out.

Kudos to your strong feelings of hate, you'll shape up to be a great example of a crotchety angry old man.

I'll keep my free spirit and hippie ideals while laughing at those who call me a narcissist.

 

[Micah]

if we simply leave, someone like saddam will just take over, and all the soldiers that have died would be a waste.

that being said, we need to hold elections and stay in Iraq in a supervisory and police role, but maintaining a firm grip, easing out of the country. you cant just pull out all the sudden, but you cant run the country forever either...

we need something like what we did with japan after WWII...keep in mind, that lasted a LONG time. everyone knows we'll be in Iraq for a LONG time. Hell, we still arent out of bosnia or kosovo, or even Korea for that matter.

Yep, realistically I think that is what will happen. Major draw on the already faltering US economy. Glad I have a job, and two of them at that.

 

[Mxyzptlk]

I dont know why people say oil is to blame. Oil prices were fine back before the war. We didn't need their damned oil. We still don't. I personnally believed ever sone the 1990's that Iraq had WMD and would eventually use them on someone or worse lose track of them and the terrorists would get em.

I do think this is just going to get worse but s*** happens people die. But what it only matters when its Americans that die? A ton more Iraqis have died than us and that number is only going to get larger when we leave. Face it when we leave there will be an civil war, no question about it. And then what? We'll go right back in?

 

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