possible engines swaps for 98 protege

[hugo3499]

Hi!

Im am wongering what are the possible engine swaps for my mzda protege 1998. I presently have a 1.5L twin cam engine.

thanks for the help!

 

[Kalibur527]

mazda swaps

will the bpt bolt right in 98 protege i like my car and wana make it original so im not going to sell it but help with possible motors will be nice and where i could find them

 

[CRZbrussian]

3000? where are u buying from lol...

u can get a used bp shipped to your door for less than $500, then u gonna have to rip it apart, clean it and do all that stuff, then buy a wireing harness ecu and all that electronic goodies( sometime they sell w/ the engine)

best thing to do is sign up on imazda.com and talk with intruder, he just did his '98 BP swap and he know ALOT about mazdas

good luck

 

[nvmsp]

Go all out and drop a rotary RX7 motor. 2nd gen turbo 2 or 3rd gen motor.


Might cost, but you won't have to worry about losing to anything.

 

[nvmsp]

rx7 tranny too, make it rear-wheel.

 

[Leppy]

Way to answer his question, guys!

It seems your choices are: a BPT from a GTX or GTR, which it seems you'll need to do some slight fab work and will be expensive, or you can just swap the FS-DE or the J-spec FS-ZE (did I get that right?) Both FS's are 2.0l and you can get some decent power and torque over the 1.5. I recommend a manual tranny, though it's a pain in the ass to do if you currently have an auto.

I'm no expert, but this is what I know... hopefully someone not from the peanut gallery will chime in with more expert advice... In the meantime, search around here for engine swaps and you should get some good information.

 

[Intruder]

So much misconception.

For starters, here's a nice read on the BP swap: http://imazda.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733

Now to rebutt your cost guesstimates. From PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

built motor kit 1500(come on your taking it apart might as well)

You're right about the price on that. Building a motor can get very expensive. I spent $100 on a set of used OEM Miata 10:1 pistons, $150 for a 99 Miata head (needed the cams), $180 for timing gears. $300 for head work, $180 for new rings, bearings, $300 for block work and assembly of the reciprocating assembly. Some other misc things, but some of that is optional. Find an engine locally - $200-300 max, do a valve regrind, and a re-ring for another $300, and you have a solid engine for less than $600-700. No Z5 will be as reliable, and certainly not at this cost.

wiring harness 200-500(they're rare as hell)

Not as rare as you think. I found one locally, but they cut it up trying to get it out and ruined it. Then I found one on car-part.com for $100.

bp ecu 200-400

Got mine for $120 from a local dismantler. You know... the place that does all the work for you and sells you the parts at ~dealership cost... also consider that I live in California where everything is uber expensive to begin with.

drive axels 200

Remanufactured axles go for $60-$70 each. I bought new axles (no core needed) for $90 each. +$60 if you want to do a G-series tranny and need a half-shaft (used).

exhaust manifold 100(used)-400(mazda)

Came attached to the motor.

intake 100(used)-400(new mazda)

You need the MAF, the top cover and the air hose. The rest of the parts are identical. I got a whole intake set for $50, but it turned out to be for a Z5 (stupid people). Then I got just the top cover and hose for $60 from Mazda Albany Mazda. Or you can just go CAI like I did: http://imazda.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3

motor mounts 200 ish

Only one mount is needed if you have a 5spd. In my case that mount came attached to the engine. $60 from Mazda, or a set of Mazdaspeed mounts for about $200 from your favorite importer.

FS engines? No. This is a 2nd gen. Why bother? The BP has a ton of potential with stock internals.

 

[Intruder]

$1500 for an engine and a harness is ridiculous. You should've told them to go have intercourse with themselves.

I did an auto to manual swap. I did an auto to G-series manual swap (extra work)! 2 of the mounts are identical in all cases. It was actually advantageoius that I had an auto because the F-series upper tranny mount is not the same as the one for the G, but the automatic mount doubles up as a G-series manual tranny mount. I had to buy a tranny bottom mount. That's it! The other difference is in the bracket for the passenger side mount, but it came with the engine.

I am a firm believer in over-estimating prices, but the prices I listed are real world prices and I honestly do not see how you could pay more for the components I've listed. Car-part.com is your friend. You also have to be smart and know how to search for the stuff you want. I wasn't searching for a harness when I found one. I did a search for engines and called 20 places to find ONE harness. Perseverence pays off.

This isn't a project that can be done in a month. Not unless you have a whole ES to work with. It involves a ton of preparation and a crap load of logistics, but to me it's worth it.

I'm loving the BP as is. I can't wait to boost it.

 

[Intruder]

I can't pass judgement on the transmission.

Autos are crap, and I wasn't pushing any power through the old one to say that it sucked or it broke because of extra power or whatever.

The G is cool. All I can say is that the gear ratios are really short and it is great for acceleration, but I hate it on the freeway. Doing 80mph on the freeway I'm sitting at 4k rpm. I don't know if the F is any better at that.

 

[mannydingo]

$1500 for an engine and a harness is ridiculous. You should've told them to go have intercourse with themselves.

That's freakin' hilarious. I started cracking up when I read that.(lol)

 

[Intruder]

lol Jorge, glad I could cheer you up.

damn thats high.
On my car its like
60-2450
80-3100
I don't think I could take that on long ass trips. Guess if I ever do the g swap I'll be keeping my final gear. Guess that means I should get the f series lsd now.

If I get to boost the BP, I will do work to the transmission as well. I'd like to get my hands on a LSD and a taller 5th gear.

 

[Salmon_Rob]

626 5th, and ms lsd

even at those high rpms in the 1g i get 34ish mpg, so i dont worry about it