One of the "Year's Poorest-Performing Cars" - Dodge Caliber

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I thought this was amusing.

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/aut...xNDkEc2VjA2ZwLXRvZGF5BHNsawNwb29yLXBlcmZvcm0-


"Whether it's the tried-and-true Butterball, the more enigmatic Tofurkey, or pricey "pastured" birds, turkey is simply what we eat for Thanksgiving.

But we've come to know another type of turkey--vehicles that, for some reason or another, have been problematic or simply haven't found their place in the market. Most have make-or-break issues with shoppers: recalls, reliability, resale value and safety.

In compiling our fourth annual list of "Automotive Turkeys," we looked at four factors, all pertaining to 2007 model-year vehicles: number of recalls to date, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) database; reliability ratings from Consumer Reports; depreciation, in the form of Automotive Leasing Guide's (ALG) star ratings; and safety, from NHTSA and Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) crash-test ratings.

Besides a standout number of recalls, we looked specifically for below-average reliability, high depreciation and NHTSA ratings below four stars and/or IIHS results of "Marginal" or "Poor." Of the vehicles that met at least two of these qualifications, we also looked subjectively at other factors, such as fuel efficiency and cost.

Topping the list: The Chrysler Sebring, Dodge Nitro, Jeep Liberty, Dodge Caliber and Dodge Magnum.


All Recalls Are Not Alike

Safety recalls, which can be initiated either by automakers or by the federal government, are overseen by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). In either case, NHTSA monitors the recall process and maintains a database of pertinent recalls, accessible through its SaferCar.gov Web site.

Some of these recalls, says Jeff Bartlett, deputy editor of ConsumerReports.org, are more urgent, with safety or mechanical consequences, requiring an immediate trip to the dealership, while others may be non-urgent or only related to particular trim or configurations.

Bartlett says looking at the number of recalls that could affect a particular model can provide "an interesting road sign" into what vehicle ownership might be like. Frequent recalls should be a warning to shoppers, he says. They're not necessarily a sign of reliability, but more about inconvenience, which, of course, "has its price."

Indeed, recalls can be a lasting negative experience for the owner.

"How negatively depends on how badly or how well the manufacturer handles it," says Stephanie Brinley, senior analyst for the automotive-industry consulting firm AutoPacific. The amount of owner inconvenience often relies on the dealer body, she says, and how well dealerships address the issues. If it "breaks on the six o'clock news," Brinley says, referring to the widely publicized recalls that automakers occasionally face, that's an especially big negative in perception.

In looking purely at the number of recalls by model for 2007, several Chrysler (including Dodge and Jeep) models stood out for having more than just a recall or two. CR's Bartlett wasn't willing to speculate about Chrysler having more recalls, but he said that automakers have been increasingly sharing powertrain and interior components across much of their vehicle lines, and if there are problems it can bring down the entire brand.

That looks to be the case for Chrysler, at least in two instances. A massive recall involving anti-lock braking system control modules affected 11 different Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep models, including the Chrysler Sebring, Dodge Caliber, Dodge Magnum, Dodge Nitro and Jeep Liberty, which were all on our turkeys list, while another recall concerning automatic-transmission control modules potentially affected eight different vehicles, including the Magnum, Nitro and Liberty."
 
wow and to think theyre offering lifetime warranties...ur car will probably be in the shop for most of that lifetime..

never liked dodge..except if its a '70ish charger xP
 
hmm is'nt chrysler and jeep dodges too !?

thats just terrible everything on that list is a dodge...
 
A buddy of mine has a Liberty and he thinks; A, it's a Jeep and B, it's awesome. I truly is neither. The Liberty is a half-assed SUV built on a Lancer chassis. Yech.
 
caliber lost on appearance already.....now performance too ??

shame on u dodge ! shame ! ;)
 
Well.... I'm not surprised. Dodge and Chrysler are pretty much garbage. GM being a close second. I have NEVER owned a domestic in almost 15 years of driving. All Japanese, one Korean(wife's suv) and one European.
 
Well at least Ford still makes some pretty decent cars . Good move on Buying Mazda + Jags + Volvo's One American car co I can still be proud of ......
 
Well.... I'm not surprised. Dodge and Chrysler are pretty much garbage. GM being a close second. I have NEVER owned a domestic in almost 15 years of driving. All Japanese, one Korean(wife's suv) and one European.

With all due respect, if you've never owned something from Dodge, Chrysler, or GM, how do you know for sure?

I've owned both a Chrysler and a Chevy. The Chrysler was fantastic. Never had a single problem in the 89,000 miles I had it. (300M)
 
My pops had a '99 jeep cherokee and that thing was rock solid...never had any problems with it other then so so gas mileage. Then again that was when they were still putting in that classic 50 year old 4.0L six which was pretty much bulletproof. I guess they just don't make 'em like they used to!
 
I agree with the previous poster. My bf has a 94 jeep cherokee and it rocks. People ask him all the time if it isn't a newer model because it is in fantastic shape - although I'm sure that's mostly due to his meticulous care. Either way, it has held on quite well and is quite reliable.
But, as said, 4.0L 6 really is bulletproof....
 
the 4.0L 6 is a beast.....my girlfriend has 96 Cherokee, 167,000 miles on hers and it still runs strong. It actually looks like the auto tranny is going to do her truck in. However, a Jeep then isn't a Jeep now.....enter the compass, liberty, grand cherokee, etc.
 
the 4.0 motor is a tank. My buddy had 216k on his before he hit ice on the way to work and bounced it off an armco.( I know it's 216k because a week doesn't go by that he doesn't remind me)
 
With all due respect, if you've never owned something from Dodge, Chrysler, or GM, how do you know for sure?

I've owned both a Chrysler and a Chevy. The Chrysler was fantastic. Never had a single problem in the 89,000 miles I had it. (300M)

Two of brothers in law are mechanics with a least 20 years of experience. When I talk to them about cars and stuff, they tell me these horror stories about domestics cars and the nightmares they are for their owners. And in my last job, a couple of my coworkers had domestics, so I knew the problems they had with them. If you mean personal experience, then no, I don't have any.

But I learned from others ;)
 
I've got a bunch of domestics and Japanese. Independent of the make, some are good, some are not. I've got a Honda Pilot that is pretty good and a Honda Civic Hybrid that is cheap and buggy. On the other hand, I've got a Jeep that is pretty horrible and a couple of Chevys that are outstanding. The Mazda 3 I just traded for the MS3 was the best for the $. I had an SRT-4 a few years ago that was a pretty solid little car.
 
my girlfriend's car is the only domestic I've had a pleasurable experience with. While I realize there are plenty of happy domestic car owners my list looks something like:
-mom's taurus wagon.....first was a lemon, replacement had the brakes seize up while she lightly braked going 60 (my dad was in the car and verified) and crashed into a guard rail
-dad's escort.....auto tranny imploded at 20K miles, numerous engine problems
-dad's blazer.....electrical NIGHTMARE, that thing had gremlins
-friend's chevy truck......4wd broke at 10K miles, just wouldn't go into 4wd, numerous engine problems
-friends grand am......crapped out at 65K, 4K in estimatedrepairs all within a month

my dad's sentra and my protege are both 2002's with about 65K on the clock and not a single problem on either yet. As far as I'm concerned I'm probably sticking with foreign cars in the future, and making sure the one I get wasn't "made in mexico" =)
 
I've had good and bad experiences with a bunch of GMs. I used to drive 160 miles to/from work in LA traffic every day. I put 200+k on many GM cars. Most had no problems at all. I just took care of them. I doubt my daughtes Civic Hybrid will see 65k. Hope I'm wrong cause that PoS was pretty expensive...
 
Interesting that one reports the Merc CLKs and SLKs as the least reliable (CR) while the other says they are among the highest quality (JD). Frankly, the CR inclusion of the Civic Hybrid on the high quality list makes me question all of their ratings. Ours is a PoS and the mileage estimates are 8-10 mpg off - city or highway.
 
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