New Oil Study

[funnylittlman]

That's one car that I really wanted to own... but I can't find one that hasn't been beat to hell

 

[Turbo Matty P]

I've got a GREAT motor sitting here if you want it. I was going to stuff it RWD in a 1989 Ford Ranger 4wd. That thing should run 13's with a stock motor! If you're interested, look around for ANY ford that came with a 3.0L and a 5spd and this motor will bolt right in. I'll even send you the computer and wiring harnesses. Nothing says," Not just a ranger" like 350ft/lb and 12sec 1/4mile!

 

[Turbo Matty P]

or, find yourself a GOOD sho tranny and I'll put the car back together for ya. All it needed before I parked it was a fresh tranny with LSD.

 

[funnylittlman]

Someone told me that the 92-95 version is the 3.8 litre V6 w/ a Supercharger

Guess he was wrong

 

[funnylittlman]

or, find yourself a GOOD sho tranny and I'll put the car back together for ya. All it needed before I parked it was a fresh tranny with LSD.

I'll keep that in mind.... nothing like a nice fun car like that....

Maybe my guys at the local ford dealer can hook me up on a factory tranny!

 

[funnylittlman]

I'm going on ebay right now to check out some vehicles.. woot!

 

[Turbo Matty P]

yeah, he's WAY off. Must be thinking about the Thunderbird SuperCoupe. they came with a 3.8L Eaton M62 supercharged motor. 230hp 310ft/lb. Not shabby for a 2 door huh?? If you're looking for performance from Ford, look no further than the T-bird Turbocoupe, Mustang SVO, Merkur XR4Ti, or Mustang Indy Turbo cobra. Amazing bang for the buck and can be tuned out SO cheap!

 

[Turbo Matty P]

Ford didn't make that tranny. Mazda did! That's why it's broken! You would need a FWD tranny from a 89-91 Taurus SHO. Either that or a bellhousing from a mid 90's Aerostar to convert the motor to RWD or AWD with a T-5 5-spd

 

[blynzoo]

The auto trannies in the Tauruses are jokes, plain and simple.
AUTO.

 

[funnylittlman]

Hm.... AWD sounds VERY cool....

I can't make any promises Matty, I'm just looking for now, but when I do get some bookoo buckaroos, I'll let you know.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2416632228&category=6238

This seems like a nice vehicle from stock...
(too bad there isn't a reserve or buy it now)

 

[N1XRR]

Amsoil - AMWAY - Alticor - Quixtar - Confederated Products - ETC. Not for me. I have read about the oil, looks to be pretty good. But I think I will stick with Mobil 1. For one thing, hit up Google and type in :

Amsoil test

then click on Groups to check discussions. Seems to be alot of people doubting. Read a few discussions - more than a few people debating on their, and all the people who stick up for Amsoil, are the distributors and Amway sales people.

Now do the same search for Mobil 1, go to google and type in:

"Mobil 1" test

Go ahead and click on the Groups button, take a look. There are still plenty of debates, but the people who stick up for it - are the people who use it.

Good luck with the AMSOIL thing though - if the discount works for you - more power to you. I just get my oil at Walmart for $4.50 a quart.

Another fun thing - take a look at all the sites that hold the Amsoil research, then run a whois lookup on who the sites are billed to. Well, it's mildly fun if you are a geek anyway. lol

I know my friend who does Quixtar uses Amsoil and with his "membership" he pays $85 for a case of 12 Qts. I can buy Mobil 1 in a 5qt container for about $17. Some quick math pulls that at $3.40 for the Mobil 1, and about $7.08 for the amsoil. So, even if you leave your oil in twice as long as I do - I'd still be saving money.

But you said you are going to leave your oil in for 7500 miles, so you might just save a few pennies. Plus if nothing else, you will be spending at least half as much time as I do every year with oil changes.

And that $20 you spend per year for your "membership" - I'll spend less than that on boxes of disposable latex gloves to keep my hands clean when I am changing my oil. So I guess you could call that even.

Just my $0.02

First off, Amsoil is NOT AMWAY, QUIXTAR, etc etc etc. Amsoil has been around for LONGER than Amway and is very highly respected in the diesel engine world. Example: VW TDI's. There is one person on the TDI forum who has 260k on his engine. Oil change every 50k, and his engine has less wear on it then the average diesel of 100k.

2nd- Your friend is paying WAYYYY too much for Amsoil. Its about $6/qt. Plus, the advantage of Amsoil isn't really the price. The advantage is having an engine that will last several thousands of miles longer than the average engine using regular oil.

I didn't really believe this until I started seeing these engines my uncle was working on. He is a mechanic, has been for about 30 years now and has used Amsoil for the past 15 or so. These engines are coming out looking almost like when they were first put together, and have over 100k on them.

 

[slenser]

Anyone else notice this study is almost 10 years old?

Nothing new about it. I would like to see a study done with current oils. I'm sure there have been vast improvements.

 

[Micah]

From the websites

http://www.amway.com/ourstory/o-hist.asp

"Amway began in 1959 with two young entrepreneurs in the United States -- Rich DeVos and Jay Van Andel. Their concept for an innovative business opportunity, centered around person-to-person marketing, established itself as a leader among one of today's fastest-growing industries. "

http://www.amsoil.com/company.htm

"Since the introduction of AMSOIL synthetic motor oil in 1972, AMSOIL has gone on to develop the most complete line of synthetic lubricants and automotive products in the world. The history of AMSOIL product innovations is a checklist of industry firsts. AMSOIL "firsts" in motor oil, two-cycle oil, gear lube, grease, air filter and oil filter technology are proof-positive of the AMSOIL commitment to innovation."

It's important to be able to back up your facts.

But I guess maybe Amsoil had a "testing phase" of over 13 years - then I guess you would be correct. lol.

Hey, the website says they sell it for $5.20 a Qt.

Or you can buy the 30 Gallon Drum for $510 - that's $4.25 a quart.

Or you can buy the 55 Gallon Drum for $901 - that's $4.10 a quart.

And those are just the regular prices, not the discounted prices.

And you gotta love how they don't mention the company behind the marketing at all on the site, unless you search around a bit. The funny thing about it is that the people selling Amsoil are very quick to point out the following.

http://www.allroutes.to/gorham/
"(Amsoil is in NO way connected with Amway)"

Then back to one of Amsoil's official pages.

http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/mlm2.htm

"Multi-level marketing (MLM) has come a long way since its beginning in the 1940s, when California Vitamins introduced the concept as a way to market their nutritional products. Amway evolved directly out of California Vitamins, selling soap products through independent distributors who got paid through commissions, as well as through the sponsorship of new distributors. Today, multi-level marketing is a $20 billion industry, and it continues to grow at a rapid pace."

Just my $0.02

 

[N1XRR]

From the websites

http://www.amway.com/ourstory/o-hist.asp

"Amway began in 1959 with two young entrepreneurs in the United States -- Rich DeVos and Jay Van Andel. Their concept for an innovative business opportunity, centered around person-to-person marketing, established itself as a leader among one of today's fastest-growing industries. "

http://www.amsoil.com/company.htm

"Since the introduction of AMSOIL synthetic motor oil in 1972, AMSOIL has gone on to develop the most complete line of synthetic lubricants and automotive products in the world. The history of AMSOIL product innovations is a checklist of industry firsts. AMSOIL "firsts" in motor oil, two-cycle oil, gear lube, grease, air filter and oil filter technology are proof-positive of the AMSOIL commitment to innovation."

It's important to be able to back up your facts.

But I guess maybe Amsoil had a "testing phase" of over 13 years - then I guess you would be correct. lol.

Sorry, I was looking at the Quixtar info, not the Amway. I'll look closer next time.

Hey, the website says they sell it for $5.20 a Qt.

Or you can buy the 30 Gallon Drum for $510 - that's $4.25 a quart.

Or you can buy the 55 Gallon Drum for $901 - that's $4.10 a quart.

And those are just the regular prices, not the discounted prices.

And you gotta love how they don't mention the company behind the marketing at all on the site, unless you search around a bit. The funny thing about it is that the people selling Amsoil are very quick to point out the following.

http://www.allroutes.to/gorham/
"(Amsoil is in NO way connected with Amway)"

That link doesn't work have the time. Also, the 'marketing' is the dealers. The dealers 'sell' the product, so its mostly from word-of-mouth. By sell I mean convince the consumer to buy.

Originally posted by Micah
Then back to one of Amsoil's official pages.

http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/mlm2.htm

"Multi-level marketing (MLM) has come a long way since its beginning in the 1940s, when California Vitamins introduced the concept as a way to market their nutritional products. Amway evolved directly out of California Vitamins, selling soap products through independent distributors who got paid through commissions, as well as through the sponsorship of new distributors. Today, multi-level marketing is a $20 billion industry, and it continues to grow at a rapid pace."

Just my $0.02

First, thats not an Amsoil offical page. Second, they are only making refrence to the fact that MLM has been around a while, not the fact that they are related.

 

[Turbo Matty P]

Why are we still on this topic?? (amway/amsoil) Have we not already exhausted all possible retorts except "your momma" cracks? If not, then your momma is so fat she fell down and made my Mp3 player skip.

 

[Coqui258]

Anyone ever use Mobil's new oil, 5W30 and it's for new cars? It's part synthetic. I used it for my first oil change, hope that it's ok! Any thoughts?

 

[sal002]

We didn't even get to the Walmart SuperTech...Only about $12 for 5 quarts for synthetic...$7 for blend...

 

[Turbo Matty P]

Mobil1 5W30 is a great oil. I've used it in both my high revving race engines (9Krpm SHO, and 7.5Krpm SVO) with good success. I've never been low, burned or coked the oil. I change the oil at 4K miles and use no additives. I've noticed a good decrease in the time it takes to build oil pressure. That's always a good thing. Everyone has an opinion, but I'll leave it at this: Mobil1 is the "factory reccomended" oil for Porsche, Corvette Z06, and most BMW's. It can't be all that bad!

 

[sal002]

Yeah...I use Mobil1 in my P5 and "SuperTech" syn blend in my wife's Escort...it all works.

 

[quik]

BMW suggests

an oil change every 15,000 miles. Yeah 15,000! Cars don't need every 3000, especially if you're using full synthetic