N/A Discussion

[Blown]

My friends own a Dynapack dyno. For the oil test, they change oil with Motul full synthetic on 2 DC2 and 1 NSX. On all cars, they found 2+HP gain.

And, for the sparkplugs, I know they changed stock to Spoon(Denso makes them). The test car, I do not know and I'd have to ask. My car is supposed to be the one they test the plug/wire combo upgrade.

 

[Darin]

what is a DC2? And an NSX? Dude...you can't compare results from OTHER cars and say they'll make that difference on YOUR car.

Show me one, back to back dyno of a P5, STOCK, going from 100whp to 102 whp by switching from NEW plugs, to the others...same w/ oil.

Could you claim a 2hp gain?
Won't happen...and even, seriously, TWO hp between dyno runs is NOTHING...anything less than 5hp approximates NO gain/loss

 

[1FASTMP5]

a dc2 is an acura ingera.

 

[1sty]

ok, ITR I get, DSM is a stretch, :wtf: is dc2!

 

[1FASTMP5]

dc2 is the body code i belive....
there's da body 90-93
dc2 body 94-2001
dc5 body wich is the rsx body 2002-current

 

[twizyours]

Alright I have to state my opinion. Mostly becaus I am really sick of hearing people say if you want a fast car sell your p5 or pro or mp3 and get a camaro or a turbod car. It gets on my nerves. First before small imports were accepted (hondas toyotaqsw) they went through the same thing we are going through now Research!!!!!!. Just like when hondas first starting getting turboed they were blowing engines like crazy too, because of lack of info of their own car. Guess what peopl didnt quit and learned from each other. Now knowledge saves you money, networking and communication. Those three things will save you money. Now first their have been 3 to four people who dynoed at 13o whp with intake and exhaust cams and two with fsze motors. and with 130 torque. Guess what that is not bad without fuel mapping throttle body pulleys etc. Now I believe 200 whp is deffinetly possible without a doubt when more resources are available (n streeta ble qustionable). I think 180 whp is 170 - 1800 whp is deffinetly possible with resources available now. Now I am building my car for na tuned first with possible turbo tuned later. Now If you are going to have someone do install for you it will cost you alot, if not you can do it without spending $6000 dollars. I got my cams for 310 and installed them my selve. My intake for 80 dollars and turned it into a cold air for 30 more dollars. A shop around here will do cat back mandrel bent piping for $80 dollars without muffler and 16O WITH MUFFLER ( all they do is exhausts). Once I get the money for my exhaust and fpr I am going to the dyno. After that I am getting the cam gears and then going back to the dyn again. Also they have p0robe headers on ebay for $170, i THINK THEY mite be made by obx ( it wont say that but if you search on probetalk under second gen fs probe you will get more info as they have bouth them ande said they are nice). Now back to my conclusion alot of people will be negative and have no heart and just take what people give them and say buy another car. Lack of knowledge and research =alot of money in anything. Hard work and dedication = a big smile on your face, a sense of accomplishment and enough money to go to mcdonalds.

Thank You for your attention and
Have a Nice Day

 

[Familia323]

First before small imports were accepted (hondas toyotaqsw) they went through the same thing we are going through now Research!!!!!!. Just like when hondas first starting getting turboed they were blowing engines like crazy too, because of lack of info of their own car. Guess what peopl didnt quit and learned from each other. Now knowledge saves you money, networking and communication. Those three things will save you money.

Thats exactly why I started this thread. Everyone wants to know, but no one knows how.. so if we all go through some trial and error, eventually we'll get it. And kick some ass in the end.

 

[MP3-Owner]

I would like to dyno my car because it feels pretty strong with just i/h/e(with no cats). I would like to think I'm pushing 130whp which would mean like what...160bhp?

But I feel that I'm probably closer to 120whp which would be about 150bhp. I will have to go down to my local dyno one day and find out

 

[Matthew]

i need to as well, we have the same basic setup

 

[Darin]

there is a lot of 'speculation' about what ppl feel is possible - there is just no data to back it up.

:shrug:

 

[Familia323]

Yet...


give it time and we'll find out.

 

[flat_black]

Here's my results with spark plugs... The whole story.

A friend (Henceforth called Alex) told me he put in new spark plugs, and his car gained a whole bunch of horsepower! He got the top-of-the-line Platinum +4's... He said I should do the same. I told him I don't think +4's actually made much of a difference, if any. Now, then, much deliberation ensued, and I put him up to it; 'Alright... Here we go... I'll buy three sets of spark plugs. Iridium, Platnum +4's and stock Denso's for the Protege, and test all of them on my GTech (Go ahead and laugh at me. =)) The conditions, in order to be the same, were predetermined. Run the car for half an hour before hand to even out the adjustment for heat soak, and run on a road adjacent to a Mobil station, refueling with 87 octane after each of 9 runs, three runs on each plug. His end of this deal was as follows: He would pay for each set of plugs, and buy me dinner if I saw more than a 2hp gain from swapping the plugs. And I would buy him dinner if otherwise, and soak the loss from the plugs. Sounds like a good deal to me!

Alright, onto test day. Like I said, I refueled after every run, to make sure the weight of the car and the draw was consistant. FYI, my car returns a more or less solid 114hp from the GTech. I pulled into the gas station, and changed to the Denso's first. I'm getting really used to changing these damn things. Checked everything, topped up the tank, and off I went after dialing the weight into the GTech.

Denso Results:
Run 1: 114hp
Run 2: 114hp
Run 3: 114hp

Nice and consistant, as I expected. Then I went to the Bosche +4's. This is what I got from them; The revving was smoother, and steadier as I got into the higher revs. And this is what the GTech showed me:

Platinum +4 Results:
Run 1: 114hp
Run 2: 115hp
Run 3: 114hp

And, I installed the Iridium's last, and did another set of runs. This time, the plugs allowed for a lot smoother revving all along the range. Here's the results:

NGK Iridium Results:
Run 1: 114hp
Run 2: 114hp
Run 3: 114hp

As you can see, there's no real difference according to the infinitly accurate GTech meter. I got a free dinner, and a few sets of fresh spark plugs. Not one to be a jerk about that sort of thing, I paid the tip at dinner, and soaked half of the price of the plugs.

OH, and 1st? My Sparkco plug wires didn't break on me at all. =) I was totally psyched! Hehee.

Here's the summary with averages for those who don't care to read:

Denso: 114hp
Bosche Platinum +4: 114.3hp
NGK Iridium: 114hp

Enjoy.

 

[twilightprotege]

gee, sounds like this thread is just a wishwash of so many ideas...should i go na, turbo, does this make any power, what about this...blah blah blah.

the end result is quite simple. yes our engine could support even 300whp in na trim.....got $100k to burn and you can have it. it's all a matter of give and take. some things make hp in abc setups, but not in xyz setups. remember that our engines are mass produced so my engine might make 100whp stock, but the next one makes 101, the next one 95. they are not "blueprinted" from the factory and as we all know, slight changes make a huge difference.

my advice is to do your research. like what flat_black just wrote, do your own testing if you can afford it (and get dinner for your troubles) and make your own decisions. do what you're comfortable with, do what you feel safe with. do whatever the hell you want, JUST ENJOY YOUR CAR!!!!!!!!

later

 

[1FASTMP5]

there is a lot of 'speculation' about what ppl feel is possible - there is just no data to back it up.

:shrug:

yes, there is...... a few members have dynoed there cars with i,e,h
equinox- got 133whp
phantom cruser- i think got 125whp
and a few others out there.

 

[Blown]

Darin - Remember, I did say 2+HP. I didn't tell you the exact gains on the NSX or the DC2s but it was definitly more than 2HP. And, remember, 2HP does make a difference in times(bracket racers???) but it can't be felt. It all adds up in the end.

Now, my next oil change(18K km) I am switching over to full synthetic and also changing my plugs to Denso Iridium. Then, I will also put on my Magnecor plug wires. Out of the three mods, I expect 5HP. I will dyno before and after.

 

[Darin]

Darin - Remember, I did say 2+HP. I didn't tell you the exact gains on the NSX or the DC2s but it was definitly more than 2HP. And, remember, 2HP does make a difference in times(bracket racers???) but it can't be felt. It all adds up in the end.

Now, my next oil change(18K km) I am switching over to full synthetic and also changing my plugs to Denso Iridium. Then, I will also put on my Magnecor plug wires. Out of the three mods, I expect 5HP. I will dyno before and after.

Dyno a baseline run - change the oil...dyno again within 30 minutes - AFTER the car is warmed up, with the Synthetic. Now, drain the synthetic, and dyno again w/ the, uh, Dino oil.

You won't see repeatable measurable dyno evidence of those mods - unless your OLD oil and plugs are shot to hell to begin with.

Nobody can feel 2hp. nobody.

 

[Blown]

Darin - I agree that 2HP can't be felt but it does make a difference on the track. I'd say the human threshold is around 5-7HP. Also, my last dyno run(116whp run) was done on a fresh oil and 89 octane gas. So, I'll make sure to keep consistancy in future runs.

 

[p5sundevil]

no one answered the guy, i know its a noob question but still.

yes dc2 is an integra, it is one of the most famous integras in the line for tuning possibilities. The DC2 typeR's is what made them famous, the old b18c engine.

The new Acura RSX is actually still called an integra in japan, it is the DC5 integra.

The NSX is the high end acura sports car, a dream car IMO that handles phenominally, but NSX is just the name, like integra, civic, protege etc.

As for the way this thread has goen with plugs, wires, oil honestly with all that stuff you will feel something, better throttle response and smoother acceleration. Other than that power gains are so minimal you wont notice it, 1/4 mile times may be affected in the hundreths of a second but nothin more.

In the end it is for throttle response and smooth accel. as much as it is for engine safety, as in it will help your engine out a little with those mods, make em safer at higher use when modding the engine and overall make it run in a more healthy manner. If that doesnt sound too weird when talking about an engine.

 

[Blown]

Sundevil - I look at wires/plugs/oil as a good start for a N/A build-up. To me, it is a requirement.

 

[Darin]

Darin - I agree that 2HP can't be felt but it does make a difference on the track. I'd say the human threshold is around 5-7HP. Also, my last dyno run(116whp run) was done on a fresh oil and 89 octane gas. So, I'll make sure to keep consistancy in future runs.

I'd guess it'd take 7-10 hp to gain ONE mph in a 3000lbs vehicle's trap speed....everything else being equal. 2 hp won't make your car any 'quicker'. Driver's skill, or lack there of is the determining factor in 99.5% of e/t improvement.