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Mazda product developer takes blame for delayed U.S. launch of MazdaSpeed6
MARK RECHTIN | Automotive News
Posted Date: 9/12/05

MONTEREY, Calif. - It's my fault.

How often do you hear those words in the auto industry?

But at Mazda North American Operations, Robert Davis is falling on his sword.

Davis, Mazda's senior vice president of product development and quality, is taking the blame for delaying the U.S. launch of the MazdaSpeed6.

The high-performance sedan was to have arrived at car dealerships in June with a base sticker of $28,555, including destination. But 30 days before Job 1, Davis wouldn't sign off on the North American edition of the car. As a result, the MazdaSpeed6 will not arrive until late September.

Davis' problem: He felt the transmission's final drive was not right for the U.S. market. The final drive is the last set of gears before power is delivered to the wheels. The drive determines the speed ratio between the drive shafts and wheels.

Initially, the U.S. versions had a lower final-drive ratio for lower engine revs while freeway cruising. The ratio brings slower acceleration but slightly better gasoline mileage. The Japanese and European editions had a higher final-drive ratio for quicker bursts of speed.

After evaluating both versions, the Japanese and European engineers decided to go with the U.S. edition's gearing as well. Suppliers were contacted, production dates were set.

But Davis then saw the original Japanese-market prototype and was smitten. He felt that the original, higher Japanese final-drive ratio, when mated to the 2.3-liter turbocharged engine's 274 hp and 280 pounds-feet of torque, was better suited for MazdaSpeed6 customers.

"The way the torque comes on, it's actually better with a higher final-drive ratio," he said.

Davis took his case to Jim O'Sullivan, CEO of Mazda North American Operations, who gave Davis his vote of confidence.

The main cause for the 90-day delay was the EPA's recertification process.

Mazda expects U.S. sales of about 6,000 units a year, the most of any market.

As a result of the delay, Japan and Europe will get the initial U.S. production allocation. The United States will get a larger chunk of production down the line.
 
Actually it was slated to come out far far before then. Its been delayed about 6 times now. Latest issue was problems with the turbochargers.
 
I won't be buying this car first time around....nope, no sir.

Delays mean problems.

Mazda has a habit of never fixing problems on MAzdaspeeds....clunk, hesitation, stereo's dying etc
 
Well that would make the list of problems...

Seanmscean: Direct Injection
Online Source: Turbo Issues
Mazda Source: Up/Down Auto Windows Jamming the hell outta fingers
Online Source: AWD system (engaging disengaging issues)
Mazda Source: Car too slow, adjusted final drive

Is it me...or are all the problem centered around all the stuff thats new? =/
 
Yea this a serious good observation. Does't seem like coinsidence(sp?) either. which = bad. This car would be a close natural upgrade from the MSP. (boom07)




crossbow said:
Well that would make the list of problems...

Seanmscean: Direct Injection
Online Source: Turbo Issues
Mazda Source: Up/Down Auto Windows Jamming the hell outta fingers
Online Source: AWD system (engaging disengaging issues)
Mazda Source: Car too slow, adjusted final drive

Is it me...or are all the problem centered around all the stuff thats new? =/
 
If I was rich this car would be my daily driver as Ive always liked the 6s and the way they drive, but wanted more power and a little less fwd-ness! Id love just to pull up against a slowmaro\eclipse\ricer\redneck and just roast em. Hopefully this thing will be fun.
 
Hey, my dealer was right about the gear thing!!! The Mazda letter said the Japs and Europe were getting the US gears and NOW we are getting the Japs and Europe gears. Did I read this right?

367(mp3yellow
 
Only good thing about this is that the issues were caught before they got here and in the dealership lots as "guarenteed lemmon suits" to be beat to death by CR as they did the 03 and 04 6.
 
Mine is to arrive next week Wednesday. Well I guess that makes me a guinea pig...LOL! s***...I liked my MSP so much (all problems aside...my dealership has been great about fixing any problems that have arisen no charge) that I had to get my hands on this when it became available. The lease on our 2000 Protege matured at the time that this became available (or was to become available last year) so the timing just worked out such that I wasn't going to be able to wait until the 2nd iteration. With only 8 available in my city, I figured that I should get in early or have to watch from the sidelines. Guess that I'll learn my lesson if it falls apart.

R
 
yup.... that's the real story behind it... I know because I talked to my guy at MNAO 3 months ago and he told me the car was pretty much ready but they were still trying to tweak the acceleration times... he didn't know exactly what was being done but I immediately suggested that they were probably retweaking the gear ratios (due to the fact that is the easiest way to fix that problem without the expense of retuning the engine which cause an even bigger EPA headache) and as such in-house testing and government recertification would have to be done
 
Rainman said:
Mine is to arrive next week Wednesday. Well I guess that makes me a guinea pig...LOL! s***...I liked my MSP so much (all problems aside...my dealership has been great about fixing any problems that have arisen no charge) that I had to get my hands on this when it became available. The lease on our 2000 Protege matured at the time that this became available (or was to become available last year) so the timing just worked out such that I wasn't going to be able to wait until the 2nd iteration. With only 8 available in my city, I figured that I should get in early or have to watch from the sidelines. Guess that I'll learn my lesson if it falls apart.

R
Eh... what's life really worth w/o taking some risks. If nobody did then we'd prabably be an even worse nation. Keep us informed with problems/service dept righting them off as "Normal Issues".
 
Da 6 said:
Eh... what's life really worth w/o taking some risks. If nobody did then we'd prabably be an even worse nation. Keep us informed with problems/service dept righting them off as "Normal Issues".

Will do. Seriously, apart from this issue with the MS6 availability (which was beyond their control), my dealership has been really great with both Proteges. In fact, they sponsored my MSP in our local Import Night last summer. It wasn't a lot, BUT it did help out somewhat with the mod fund.

R
 
hmmm....i bet the first part to go on the 6's will be the tranny's....then the turbo....but gosh....can you imagine the look on the face of a sti or evo owner when someone builds one of these cars right? So much potential in this car, sticker price is a little steep though....
 
MoJoeTCM said:
hmmm....i bet the first part to go on the 6's will be the tranny's....then the turbo....but gosh....can you imagine the look on the face of a sti or evo owner when someone builds one of these cars right? So much potential in this car, sticker price is a little steep though....

I'll take your bet.

First thing to go is the brakes than tires just like the MSP

then its the turbo and the engine

i'll put money on the fact that the transmission will hold up pretty well as long as people are not dumb about it.
 

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