Just bought an MSP BUT............!!!!!!

Im having problems with it already. It only boosts in the first 2 gears and the other gears it seems to bog down a bit. Its been shooting bluish smoke out of the back of the car, not consistently, only after getting on the gas at any random point during the day. Id appreciate some input from any of you guys. Glad to own my spicy orange msp though. (dance)
 
1.) Have you got any mods?
2.) Have you checked all vacuum connections for leaks?
2.) Have you looked at your plugs? (what do they look like?)
 
If blue smoke's comming out the tailpipe, you're burning oil, could be bad news. :( Welcome to the forums btw :)
 
yea man sounds like the turbo is shot....didn't you test drive the car b4 you bought it.

Does it have any mods? If not take it to the dealer?

Also where did you buy it from? dealer? consumer?
 
MSP #167 said:
yea man sounds like the turbo is shot....didn't you test drive the car b4 you bought it.

Does it have any mods? If not take it to the dealer?

Also where did you buy it from? dealer? consumer?


Thanks everybody for the welcome. I did testdrive the car but when i did it felt strong. It still feels pretty strong for most of the day. But when i get on the gas for a while it seems to blow a lil smoke. It has done it twice in the past 2 days.

Mods are: Injen intake
custom catback with apexi muffler
Apexi turbo timer
hks blowoff valve

The car was bought from a dealership with a bumper to bumper 80,000 mile warranty. So if anything serious is wrong with the car, it will be replaced. Or driven at high speeds through the showroom floor.

A more in-depth description is when i drive, i will feel the boost in 1,2,and 3rd. However there are some points when it bogs and lags and 3000 rpms in 4th gear does not feel that strong at all.

This is my first Turbocharged car. Ive dealt with honda for the past couple of years. I had 2 H22's both running mid 14's so i could use a lil help.
 
If you just bought it, take it to the dealer and have them check it out.


If you don't want to go back to the dealer I think you should get and install a boost gauge. This will tell you if you have a vacume leak. It will also tell you how much boost you're running and possibly if your turbo is bad.

The bogging you are reffering to could be a hesitation. If you are in an un-flashed 03 msp, you will feel some pretty bad hesitation under 4Krpms at full throttle. If you just use partial throttle and seem to get cleaner pulls, this is probably it. You can help this by a couple ways:

- You could reset your ECU by unpluging your battery for 10 minutes and draining the power out of your system by steping on the brake pedal. This should eliminate most of your hesitation for a short period, but once the ECU relearns your driving habits the hesitation will come back.

- You could take it to a Mazda dealer and have them give you the ECU flash. There is a TSB out on this and a search of this forum will give you all the info you need. This ECU flash advances the timing on your car to compensate for excessive fuel delivery. The problem with this is the advanced timing levels become dangerous at higher boost levels (10+ psi). If you plan on raising the boost it is better to not have the flash done. You car may allready have it done, but since it's a 03 it's possible it does not.

- Get an FMIC. Since your stock sidemount intercooler is so small and ineffective, you are going to experience heat soak in the summer. The CAI helps cause the temp sensor reads colder air, but a good FMIC will help keeps the temps down enough that hesitation is vertually non-existent over 3000rpms. If your car feels like it pulls really hard the first 10 minutes of the day, but is a little bit of a dog afterward and in the afternoons, this is from Heatsoak and an FMIC will really help this. Heatsoak induced hesitation isn't as bad in the winter, but depending on your location could be very noticable in the summer months. What's the temp like where you're at?

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Also, if your HKS BOV is venting to atmosphere that will lead to increased hesitation as well. Your car is allready running very rich, if you vent that air it runs even richer causing a bogging sensation. If you recirculate that air back into your intake it may help decrease the bogging after shifting.


MSP #167 said:
that has nothing to do with his problem.

Yeah it does. We don't know that his hesitation and blue smoke are coming from the same issue. They could be completly unrelated. The ecu flash is a possible solution for eliminating that specific problem. Aside from the blue smoke, all of his symptoms point to a normally running, un modified, unflashed 03 msp. I drive an unflashed one with a perfect turbo and my car was just like his prior to my mods (minus the blue smoke).
 
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i drove an unflashed msp for about 4 months.....it really isn't as bad as you guys describe, if it is as noticible as he is seeing then there is def something wrong.

Who cares is its unflashed or flashed....he is blowing out blue smoke, nothing else matters at this point, blue smoke = bad, go to the dealer and see what they say,

Don't try to diagnose it yourself, you'll just end up wasting more money on stuff you don't need at this point. Take it to the dealer ASAP.
 
MSP #167 said:
i drove an unflashed msp for about 4 months.....it really isn't as bad as you guys describe, if it is as noticible as he is seeing then there is def something wrong.

Who cares is its unflashed or flashed....he is blowing out blue smoke, nothing else matters at this point, blue smoke = bad, go to the dealer and see what they say,

Don't try to diagnose it yourself, you'll just end up wasting more money on stuff you don't need at this point. Take it to the dealer ASAP.

I've had an unflashed 03 msp since Jan of 2003. I've driven it stock for 1.5 years and modified for 1 year through 2 full Texas summers. Believe me, it is as bad as he describes.

But you're right, the blue smoke is a bad sign and should be the first thing addressed.
 
Thanks for all the help fellas, the car is going to the dealer tommorow. I did notice today that the smoke is not as blue as i thought it was. It actually has a bit of a greyish tint. Either way my problem will be solved by mazda under my warranty and ill be back on the road in no time. Ill post pics when i get the chance
 
Welcome to your MSP.... and the forums. This will be the beginning of your fun and fury, especially if you continue to mod it. I love my MSP 80% of the time, but then again I am always playing with it!
 
MSP #167 said:
that has nothing to do with his problem.


REALLY? how do you know it dosent? a non-flashed msp will run like CRAP at stock boost. it will smoke, idle ****** & hesitate like a b**** when you drive it.
ill willing to bet it's NOT flashed!! and all these problems are due to him not knowing about the msp ****** up ecu program.
 
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Ghostfacekillah said:
... 3000 rpms in 4th gear does not feel that strong at all...

Umm, at this point normally a downshift would be required to get decent acceleration. I think what you are feeling in 4th at 3k rpm is normal. It's like starting your car in 3rd rather than 1st. It just takes more to get it going.

But I would still take it to the dealer since the warranty is there.
 
Blue smoke = oil.
White = coolant/fuel

Where are you located? Maybe someone here can refer you to a competent dealer in your area.
 
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