help me out audio gurus

[1sty]

have you seen the birth sheets of their new amps? or even tested them? they exceed their CEA-2006 rating by quite a bit. T5002 CEA-2006 rating of 75x2. tested at just shy of 140x2. so exactly which model are you referring to that is rated 260 watts? i'll give my buddy a call and have him pull out a birth sheet and tell me what it's rated.

The only one I know of that is rated to 1100 rms is the type RF X6.A. The next closest is the power T10001bd. Either of which will DESIMATE that rating.

 

[Scott D.]

I'm pretty partial to eD for car audio. I haven't heard much else, but eD is some of the best stuff i've heard. If your looking for some crazy SQL, eD has sweet packages.

NINe.1 + (2) 13ov2's 4cf @ 32hz
NINe.2 + eDi 6500's
The total for that (shipped) would be $900.
(link) http://www.edesignaudio.com/13ov2_special.htm

That would be a sick DD SQL setup.

 

[1sty]

eD has a customer complaint list longer then my...........well you get the picture. Also they have been oustead as over rating their amps and subwoofers aswell as under rating there subs volume needs to move units. Quailty has been a role of the dice aswell. I know I can speak for the 4 most common posters of experince in the audio section and say that not one of us in any way trusts eD at all.

If you have had good luck thus far, then thats great, I hope that it continues. HOwever, its usualy only those that don't have experience in car audio that end up praising eD's products or prices.

 

[got wake?]

i've installed a bunch of their subs, and while they were great subs for the money, 3 of them had to be sent back due to defects within 2 years of purchase. and after the fiasco Poseur went through, i really cannot recommend them. before the problems where brought out in the open, i would have recommended them. but now after all the reading about the many problems, i have seriously lost faith in them.

 

[Poseur]

I'm pretty partial to eD for car audio. I haven't heard much else, but eD is some of the best stuff i've heard. If your looking for some crazy SQL, eD has sweet packages.

NINe.1 + (2) 13ov2's 4cf @ 32hz
NINe.2 + eDi 6500's
The total for that (shipped) would be $900.
(link) http://www.edesignaudio.com/13ov2_special.htm

That would be a sick DD SQL setup.

It would be very un-professional and un-mod-like of me to remove the eD ad, but believe me I'm VERY tempted, They outright ****** me over. Don't let Ben's sweet talking and the perception of a good deal fool you. I know, it's hard to think outside the box there, I too was once in the flock of followers, lookup some of my old posts if you wish, I was all eD all the time, I put alot into that company, had alot of their products, alot of their hype, and was likely responsible for waaymore sales to them than I care to admit to myself. Hell I've still got my 12a even, it's honestly not allthat bad, but I now know it's downfalls, and believ eme as soon as I can afford it, it'll be gone, I'd like to burn it and submit a video to their little forum really. Their drivers are mediocre at best, but their customer service is laughable at best. I really don't feel like spelling out my whole history with them at the moment, and I'm currently without net-access, and online at work between customers, but perhaps one of these kind kids could link you to my drama with eD thread.

Their amps are re-worked Avionixx, which I've personally had soomany warranty claims with that I can't even count, I'll tell you that I've sent back boxes to avionixx a total of 5 times within ONE year... At that, knowing the eD way, they're likely stripped down, cheaipie budget editions of avionixx amps.

And, BTW, can ppl PLEASE stop using the term SQL???? it's NOT even real... Yes, we can determine what it means, but it stands for nothing.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, but I strongly urge anyone considering them to take all of the information into account. As for me, personally, they can lick my balls.

 

[FrigginGLI]

i've installed a bunch of their subs, and while they were great subs for the money, 3 of them had to be sent back due to defects within 2 years of purchase. and after the fiasco Poseur went through, i really cannot recommend them. before the problems where brought out in the open, i would have recommended them. but now after all the reading about the many problems, i have seriously lost faith in them.

My 8a sub is still going strong, no problems yet. Knock on wood.

 

[Scott D.]

I've heard about their shady past, but they have been amazing to me. I've heard (from eD) that the ED Amps have no connection to Avionnix, eD just used to sell the Avionnix line. Can you prove that they are re-worked Avionnix? And with the eD line of amps being out for what, 3 months? Only 2 have been fried so far, and that was due to user error (2 from one person). All I can say is that I cannot imagine a better subwoofer setup than mine for the measly $465 I spent on it.
Yes, the old A series with the Nomex cone had some glue issues. Again, currently not an issue.
I must say their customer service has been nothing short of amazing. Any question I've ever had has been answered in a very quick and helpful manner.

Also, the eD amps are UNDERRATED. Someone benched their NINe.1 @ 1 ohm, and I believe that it pulled around 1487W (not sure on that number, I remember that it was in the upper 1400W range)

And basically calling me inexperienced really angers me. I'm not some ******* noob. I have a solid audio background, and know what I'm talking about. I can tell a bad woofer from an excellent one, and I must say that my pair of 13kv2's have been nothing short of amazing to me. I have some older friends who are very knowledgeable in audio, and helped me with enclosures, and they were very impressed by the woofers. I know they aren't any Brahma's or XXX's or w7's etc but they definatley do the trick. The NINe.1 has been VERY solid. Every experience for me from eD has been an exteremely positive one, and many others feel this way as well.
I see they may have had their problems in the past. But If he's asking about a current setup from a current company, why not offer him a great setup for not alot of dough?
What's this about misstating box volume requirements? I've never heard of this before. Was the woofer actually tested to prove eD wrong? So far, are one of the only people I've heard currently using an A series that is unhappy with it.

Great. eD sucked 6 months ago. They don't suck now. eD products are great for a mix of SQ/SPL.

 

[got wake?]

If you have had good luck thus far, then thats great, I hope that it continues. HOwever, its usualy only those that don't have experience in car audio that end up praising eD's products or prices.

Scott D., 1sty wasn't directing that at one person specifically. it was just a blanket statement to the majority of people who praise ED. as previously stated, i was impressed with D products, but their customer service and QC are in question.

the ED amps are not just clones of the avionixx amp, but they where designed by the same designers as the avionixx amps. people much more knowledgable than me looked at the circuit boards and told me that. amp designers have certain trade marks in the amp design. ben and all of ED will keep saying that it's "their own design", yet they don't have the resources or ability to design their own amps. they are outsourced, same as their subs.

between the A-series, the old ones with the blue "E" logo, the glue issues, the alignment issues, the wrong motor issues, and the BS pictures they posted on their forum of poseurs mids, it's like gambling. many experts have reviewed the pictures of poseurs mids, and ALL of them say that the claims ben has made about them are all false. they should have just sent a new set to poseur and it would not have been such a big issue. poseur is not the only person to have problems with their mids, and oddly enough the mids are the only part of the components designed by ED.

after playing around with their subs and running the specs in 3 different enclosure building programs, their volume recomendations are a tad on the low side. people like subs that can be used in smaller enclosures, so it's a selling feature. it's also an easy spec to lie on.

 

[Poseur]

I didn't run any testing myself, but If the guys at adire are down, I'll gladly offer my 12a up for some number generation. Honestly, though I was told there was a potential discrepency, so I experimented, and indeed, the 12a sounds WAY better in a 2.0' box. Thatsaid, I wasn't exactly looking for a sub that would sound decent, ifnot lackign in bottomend with about 800w in a 2' sealed box. I was shooting more for what it was initially advertised as, and while admittedly it hasn't given me any troubles in that capacity getting 1200w in a 1.2' box, it does lack extension.

I'm not attacking your noobness, but please understand that I, myself was in your shoes before there even was a documented shady past for ed. I'm not the firstto be hosed by them, There's some pretty serious industry insiders evenwho've been outright *****, comparatively my problems were laughable, and they fortunately kinda are, but they do give you an idea of what type of company you're dealing with. I'm positive I won't be the last to be hosed, callit serial bad business or whatever, Hopefully I'll be back online soon so I can throw out some links..

As for the amps, it's ENTIRELY laughable that they're now denying any similarities, especially when you can call avionixx themselves and ask and they'll tell you. They ARE avionixx amps... Hell I bet if you DO have a problem with one, they'd even tell you to blow yourself and call avionixx.

I really don't know what it is about Ben that makes everyone want to lineup to give him handjobs, but PLEASE, nomatter how you take this, be it an attack or whatever, stop being defensive, just for a second and consider what I'm saying and what has happened.

 

[Poseur]

linkage:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75971&highlight=drama

Here was one warnign that I foolishly overlooked. http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69863&highlight=elemental

other non-elemental-controlled places' discussions on the matter. http://caraudiotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3163&hl=elemental

http://www.splbassx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2192

http://forums.caraudio.com/vb/showthread.php?t=65751

how many warning signs does it take to stop the sheep?

 

[1sty]

Thanks wake,

Scott, he was right on, it was a blanket statment.
It always easy for someone to praise a product if they have no decent ground for comparison. This is whyt the people that have only used bestbuy and fleamarket equiptment think eD is great, and all it really needs to to to get the seal of a aproval form them, is work. It extreamly easy to get praise form someone if you cna convinve then the product is superior with a low price, even if each claim is utter bulls***.

Of the several eD subs I have seen in person, none now work. PLain and simply, eD sucked then, sucks now and will suck in the future. Like I say to anyone with what I would consider a substandard product, I am glad you like it and I hope it contues that way, because that is what really matters.

 

[1sty]

how many warning signs does it take to stop the sheep?

If someone's never seen fire and never been burned, then they aren't going to listen to you telling them not to touch it.

 

[Poseur]

If someone's never seen fire and never been burned, then they aren't going to listen to you telling them not to touch it.

Yea, man, I know, but hey I did something witht eh extent of my ranting earlier, I think my tally was up to 18cancelled orders, atleast $10g in sales. and that's only waht was reported to me... EIther way, I gotta try 'cause you never know...

 

[1sty]

Yea, man, I know, but hey I did something witht eh extent of my ranting earlier, I think my tally was up to 18cancelled orders, atleast $10g in sales. and that's only waht was reported to me... EIther way, I gotta try 'cause you never know...

I never stopped trying either, I just don't expect many people to listen.