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Just bought an 09 Grand Touring with 20K miles and everything but the nav for only $16K. I'd say to try and talk them down a little bit.

I don't have a problem with it either. That's not the point. The point is that a minivan is not generally what everyone has dreams about driving. You don't grow up thinking "gee I can't wait till I get old enough to buy that Sienna". What I want to see is the same amount of effort put into...

I see that. (rlaugh) Does the MT give you an extra 70 HP? Just for a little perspective my 86 Saab 900 turbo had 160HP and 190lbft from a 2.0L. Fast forward 23 years and this 5's 2.3 is at 153? I'm used to 260-380HP so 153 is so laughably slow it's not even funny. I hardly think the MT is going...

Did you not like your Saabs? I've had 8 and still have one. 86 900 Turbo 89 900 SPG 88 900 SPG 93 9000 Aero 94 9000 Aero 99 9-5 SE 00 9-5 Aero wagon 02 9-5 Aero The only Saab I have at the moment is my modded 94 Aero with about 380HP. I traded in our 02 9-5 for the Mazda5. Back on track...

So has it been a week yet?:D I'm noticing a recurring theme in these forums of people never getting back with pertinent info.

Well do tell. What happened?

It's sad that it doesn't seem anyone here listened to you. I have used multiple sets of these on my Saabs which run very similar aggressive suspension setups with lots of neg. camber. The HTR Z-III's are the best tire that money can buy if you like grip and need a tire that can handle the setup...

First off let me be clear that the only reason I'm here is because SAAB doesn't make a minivan.:( I am a Saaber through and through but needs must. We have one kid and one on the way and if we wanted to ever carry our friends with us something was going to have to change. I was very impressed...