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That is my whole point, my ancestors did not die defending this country's independence so that 230 years later people could sit on their buts boozing and blowing s*** up.

Can I order my gcs now and then get the tokicos later? Will they fit on both the stock struts and the tokicos without modification?

The fourth of july is disgusting. It is just an excuse for people to booze and blow stuff up.

how are you dropped?

I admit they do seem nice but... What kinda of warrenty and serviceablity is there? What is the rust situaction? And do you have a link to a shock dyno?

xelderx - thats sounds great I am a bit hesitant to buy the full coilovers. One I don't know how their longevity compares to that of the tired and true tokico and gc combo. Also I will not be able to change spring rates. Or you can change spring rates and void the warrenty and how are the...

the car will also be my daily driver

My goals suspension wise are 1.) height adjustment - partly for looks but also for all season drivablilty 2.) longevity - I don't think this will be a problem with tokico or gorund controls 3.) I will be autocrossing this car in the summer time and would overall like to almost completely...

Which is a better choice for custom rated ground controls around say 450 all around, the hps or the illuminas?

yea khaosman - I noticed that your jics ahev camber plates up front. Is it really that easy - where if you go to a track event, and say you want more negative camber you just adjust on the camber plate the correct number and its accurate? Also will the tein basics eliminate a large portion of...

Here is an example of the three spinners on the tein flex coilover which isn't available for the protege. as you can see the shock has another spinner on the bottom independent of the two used on the bottom of the spring perch. This independent one lets you adjust the height of the shock...

Hmm, if this camber does not need adjustment, then this means two things. one - yeah I get to save money two - Why are there adjustable camber plates on top of the ksports and d2s? Also they sell rear upper camber plates for about 130. If they are not needed why would they sell them...

So now the tein ss dosen't have seperate height adjustment? I'm confused. If I were to go with a spring and shock combo I would have to buy the camber plates seperate? And does tein offer front and rear camber plates.

Are tha basics available with front or rear camber plates?

I guess since that set of tien ss in the picture is set to its lowest setting on all four, it looks kinda of like there is no seperate height adjustment, but now I know that they do, sorry about that. It is true that D2 uses only shock for all there different springs available? Since this...

Thanks for the great replies. Vapor I'm not sure I made myself understandable. What I was saying was that the tiens height adjustment is the adjustable spring perches and not the an independent height ajustment on the shock body itself. I know that the basics are this way but I'm not sure...

Thanks for all the great info. I think I may just skip getting the sleeves and get true coilovers. I like how the D2s and the K-Sports have ride height adjustabilty on the shock body, which tien dosen't seem to have. But is the rebound adjustment on either just a spinning action or are they...

Hmm now I'm a bit worried. But I guess most cars do have problems. I plan on not doing engine mods besides a intake and exhaust. Also I will not beat on the car becasue it will be a daily driver, plus beating on the car usually goes hand in hand with spending more time at the pumps. I still...

I have a few questions about the suspensin on an mp5. What are the options coilover wise? The only option I have seen is the tien ss or sleeve type coilovers such as the skunk2 or ground control. How long will the stock shocks last with a sleeve style coilover? I know that ths car is...

These are all very good things to here. I understand that this isn't a car for speed. This will be my daily driver with a few modifications. p5power I do agree with you on the interior being awesome. I love the layout especially the stock radio. It seems very ergonomic and its placement...