MX-6 AutoX/Track Potential

Biggins

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...or lack thereof. Sorry I'm not around much to post, but I've run my 318 in STS for the last year and a half with success (considering) and it's time for a new project for next year. I may just get another 318 since I know the car so well, but... My brainstorming has begun, and it's brought me here.

Before everyone yells get a Miata, I like Miatas, they're a blast to drive, but I don't want a vert because some clubs don't allow verts on the track for DEs (even with appropriate safety equipment).

I always liked the ~93+ MX-6, so I was curious if ANYONE autoxes/tracks one reguarly. With restoration and maintenance, would it be up for autoxing and could it be competitive in any class? I'd like to start becoming more competitive than my consistent midpack finish since an auto 318 on a street Bilstein kit cannot keep up with the little Hondas and Subies in STS.

I'd have a decent budget to work with if major mods were absolutely necessary. I guess it would fit into either GS, STS/STX, or DSP?
 
The MX-6 used to be competetive in GS.

I doubt you could get one Nationally competetive, locally, anything can be competetive.

So unless you want to just give it a try then go for it, otherwise it is easier to go with someone else's recipe.

Don't get me wrong, I've got a couple cars I've built in my head that I think might be competetive in some Stock classes and ST* classes that I think would also be fun to build/drive.

If this is going to be a dual purpose AX/DE car then I would build it to be fun on the track and let it fall into the class it needs to for Solo II. It will be very difficult to have the car do both well, IMO.
 
GS it will get killed by the mini's unless they get moved and then it will still get killed by the sentra.

You might want to talk with user gavin_leslie I think he has a MX-6 for DSP and could give you an idea of the competitiveness of it.
 
Hmm... I love my RWD, but I always like to be different. I'm more of an autoxer than a track guy, so I guess autox class would be more important to me. I'm in the DC region, so any class would be very difficult to even be competitive locally.

Since I'm not doing nationals, I guess this is just the time of the year where I start planning for next year, and like you said, build cars in my head. I was thinking more STS/STX because I really like a stiffer suspension AND not having to change my tires every event.

I'd also still have the BMW and I have Hoosiers, Azenis, Hankooks, and Blizzaks (rallyx?) in sizes that could theoretically work for both cars, so...?
 
We've got a kid out here who ran his MX-6 in STS and STX with much success.

He doesn't run it much anymore since his dad bought a DSP Bimmer already prepped. I'm picking him and his dad to both finish in the top 5 this year at Nats.

Van
 
In the DC region right now I would say that STX is a little light in talent/prep out of those classes. But in Both GS and STS we have decent national level competition. If you want some real good competition then I think a miata (fuoops) in STS2 would be the way to go to try to catch up with Ian in the CRX.

moxnix - WDCR Worker chief.
 
why are my ears burning?


I actually have two 1st gen(88-92)MX6s. The daily driver/GS pseudo-racecar and a 91 which is the DSP car. I only have knowledge of the 2nd gen car in a removed sense since I have never owned one.

That said, heres my thoughts....

Anything mazda is not a bad thing. Why? Mazdaspeed motorsports. A treasure trove of parts and services for dirt cheap. This is perhaps the best thing about competing in a mazda.

Track: The car is very well balanced from the rides that I have swiped from others. Its relatively light and the chassis is a pretty good base. The mighty-mite V6 puts out a decent amount of power (prior to the Turbo MZRs, Mazdas power output could always be descried as "adequite"), revs freely and with the right additions(decent cat-back and muffler) make all sorts of awesome noises(very ferrari-esque...no, Im not joking). The brakes are very good with a lot of feel. Scuttlebutt says that because of their size they tend to go away after a few hard laps, but I imagine that can be combatted with cooling, track specific pads and good fluid.

Aftermarket: Kinda light. In the mazda world of this era you didnt get noticed unless you had a miata or RX7. There are items available but youll have a choice of 1-3 items instead of 5-8 items.

LSD: quaife or OPM (The I4 or V6 uses the G-type transmission with the 10 bolt diff like the protege).
Struts: european application koni SA yellow inserts, tokicko blues and illuminas are available for the car. Further along there is AWR(both bilstien and koni versions), tein or K-sport. Even further than that there is an application(for the protege) from Moton and JRZ. The MX6 is basically the predecessor to the last gen Protege so many or the parts transfer wholesale without modification.
Headers: (V6)Hot shot, pacesetter or ebay hot shot clones. Unfortunately there hasnt been a modern header design for the car since hotshots in 1998. Its a good item with good midrange punch, but a 10yr old design now that hasnt been changed much at all. (I4), Im not too familliar with the headers for the I4, but its (again) the predecessor of the lump thats int he newest protege. A lot of parts apparently transfer and will fit.

Autocross..

GS: My personal opinion of the car is twofold. The car has won in the past and has shown its worth(the I4 more so than the V6). However I havent seen a modern GS build for the car. Times change and people learn things and have more resoruces available to them. For example many of the old winning cars ran stock rear struts and Illuminas on the front using stock or disconnected front swaybars. The tires at the time were the cambered BFG R1s and with an open diff this made sense in a way. Today this setup simply wouldnt work for a strut suspensed car at all. Will a more modern build(revalved konis/bilstiens, big front bar, H00$iers) close the gap to the current class leading Minis?... I dunno. For sure youd be a royal pain in the ass to them, but I think the car would still be 2nd tier at best.

STS: not even worth the time to think about this one. Car too heavy, tire restriction to much, "worse" suspension than class leaders. Um, no.

STX: more intriguing. 2 less wheels to drive makes the car a lot lighter than the class leaders. The chassis is very capable, and LSD would get things moving in the right direction, better wheel width for the car. Theres only one thing...nationals has moved to a much less grippy site. With the surface dictating a maximum of mechanical grip and tires that are limited on that, all wheel drive will be even more of an asset. Locally, sure bet, nationally? Dunno, have to see how things shake out.

DSP: Lots that can be done here. The wide/15" Hoosier can fit. Engine management and ITBS would release a lot of power in both engines in my opinion. You would be up against the class leading BMWs and non-turbo subarus. On a slick surface the drivetrain advantage would be 4WD>FWD>RWD (driver excluded). Still second tier stuff anyway you want to cut it. Built and driven well I dont see why the car wouldnt be able to trophy (except the well driven BMWs, 4WD subies....and the 1st gen MX6 with unlima-boost and more update/ backdate to take advantage of ;) ).

Just some random thoughts and idle ramblings.

Contact user "Inspector 24" as he has a well put together 2nd gen that he is campaigning in STX. He also takes it for spins at Miller Motorsports Park and can add(or subtract) from the things I have mentioned.

Finally....get a Miata and a rollbar and forget everything I said above. I like the MX6 a lot as it has a lot to give, but really... In terms of accessability, servicability, expense, aftermarket, resale(this one is big..theres markets for stock AND modified miatas, not so with modded MX6s), available paths of competition/competativeness..this is a no-brainer. Oh yeah, RWD miata crunchy goodness and a suspension that works? Wait...I forgot what the question was.

Gavin
 
the 2nd gen probe/mx6 chassis is a great car for road course/autoX. the aftermarket is there for them, and even in stock form, they can suprise many.

just to give you an idea, Grassrootsmotorsports 2006 challenge, a 96pgt got 16th place out of 62 that showed. definitly not too bad
 
We've got a kid out here who ran his MX-6 in STS and STX with much success.

He doesn't run it much anymore since his dad bought a DSP Bimmer already prepped. I'm picking him and his dad to both finish in the top 5 this year at Nats.

Van
Paul Leonard and Evan Leonard(with the MX6). Paul use to have an ESP Mustang cobra convertable until he bought the BMW and saw the light. Evan, by his own accounts, didnt really have a full go at the car as he could have in terms of prep.

Gavin
 
If you search around on here, I have posted some about my son and I running one. Mine is a 93 MX-6 LX. It has been run in GS mostly but he dabled in STX but never put a lot in to it other than springs. I have always enjoyed driving it since it is easy and comfortable.
 

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Thanks everyone for all the intuitive responses, especially Gavin!!! you've made me much more interested than I originally was. I think STX would be the class I'd consider the most... the SP classes are just way too expensive for that hundredth of a second AND I like how sticky the "street" tires have been getting over the years.

I assume some/most/all Probe parts could be interchangeable? A nice diff, developed suspension, and 16x8 wheel would work well to give the rally cars and BMWs a run for their money in STX??? Hmm...

It looks like I'll be scanning ebay, craigslist, here, etc. this winter.
 
all probe suspension and engine mods are interchangable. after all, they are the same car. you could even swap seats if you wanted.
 
Thanks everyone for all the intuitive responses, especially Gavin!!! you've made me much more interested than I originally was.
D00d, wait, what? but but but.... Miata. Crunchy goodness. You were supposed to......I mean, no... _sigh_.

I think its clear that this has gone horribly wrong somehow.(see you were supposed to chose the miata :) ).

Yes, the MX6 and the Probe share the same running gear so one can be swapped for the other. The MX6s strength in STX would be its weight, torque(for its engine) and ability to use the same size tire as the class leading WRXs. Suspension is a wash as both cars use mcstruts. 16x8" wheels are somewhat easy to find as the 3rd gen rx7 wheels fit the car with spacers. As the RX7 guys dump their stock wheels for blingtastic larger sizes you get cheap, light wheels. (Ive picked up a set for as low as $150)

Gavin
 
Paul Leonard and Evan Leonard(with the MX6). Paul use to have an ESP Mustang cobra convertable until he bought the BMW and saw the light. Evan, by his own accounts, didnt really have a full go at the car as he could have in terms of prep.

Gavin

Me and Paul started out the same year out here in Colorado. Evan did well in the MX6 for how "little" it was setup. He's beaten Paul the last 2 events in the Bimmer. Hmmm, I really don't see him wanting to go back to the MX6 any time soon!

Look for both of them on the podium at Nats. I'm running against them in DSP. We're in totally different leagues for now.....

Van
 
Some believe an MX6 can surprise people at national events, and will even try to do so:
http://www.mx6.com/forums/gallery/193983-carmen-race-ready-56k.html
DSC08335.jpg


Tein's with Custom Springs and Valving
OPM LSD
Motegi TrakLite2
Falken Azenis 235/40/17
AWR 19mm rear bar
AWR Trailing Links
AWR Motor Mounts
Poly Control Arm Bushings
NEW OEM Lateral Links
New front sway links
Ebay HotShot Style Headers
Side Exit Exhaust 2.5" w/Magnaflow
Cold Air Intake
ABS -> Non ABS Conversion
Hawk HP+ pads all around
New calipers all around
New front brake hoses
Replaced Cam Gear Friction Spring
New Intake and VCG's
Plugs, wires, cap rotor
Mazda T-Belt and Tensioner
New Water Pump and Belts
Mobil 1 w/ZR1 filter
Redline Power Steering Fluid
Redline Gear Oil
Spoiler Delete
Corbeau FX1 Pro
Scroth 4pt

Still to come, STX Class Legal interior swap from Tan Leather -> Black Cloth, battery relocate to the trunk, corner weighting, more power via class legal ecu tuning/piggy back or fuel pressure regulator upgrades.

My first time out was Yesterday, first time in 6 months since I was hit by a drunk driver in the last similarly prepped '94 MX6, I placed 7th overall in PAX. Had I been .5 sec faster that day I would have placed 2nd behind a GS Mini who has twice nearly taken down national champs at Pro Solo's, and in front of other local hotshoes, some of which have trophied at other national events.

We'll certainly see just how competive it can truly be once everything is done, and I have the chance to attend a national event :)

Ryan
 
Some believe an MX6 can surprise people at national events, and will even try to do so:
http://www.mx6.com/forums/gallery/193983-carmen-race-ready-56k.html
DSC08335.jpg


Tein's with Custom Springs and Valving
OPM LSD
Motegi TrakLite2
Falken Azenis 235/40/17
AWR 19mm rear bar
AWR Trailing Links
AWR Motor Mounts
Poly Control Arm Bushings
NEW OEM Lateral Links
New front sway links
Ebay HotShot Style Headers
Side Exit Exhaust 2.5" w/Magnaflow
Cold Air Intake
ABS -> Non ABS Conversion
Hawk HP+ pads all around
New calipers all around
New front brake hoses
Replaced Cam Gear Friction Spring
New Intake and VCG's
Plugs, wires, cap rotor
Mazda T-Belt and Tensioner
New Water Pump and Belts
Mobil 1 w/ZR1 filter
Redline Power Steering Fluid
Redline Gear Oil
Spoiler Delete
Corbeau FX1 Pro
Scroth 4pt

Still to come, STX Class Legal interior swap from Tan Leather -> Black Cloth, battery relocate to the trunk, corner weighting, more power via class legal ecu tuning/piggy back or fuel pressure regulator upgrades.

My first time out was Yesterday, first time in 6 months since I was hit by a drunk driver in the last similarly prepped '94 MX6, I placed 7th overall in PAX. Had I been .5 sec faster that day I would have placed 2nd behind a GS Mini who has twice nearly taken down national champs at Pro Solo's, and in front of other local hotshoes, some of which have trophied at other national events.

We'll certainly see just how competive it can truly be once everything is done, and I have the chance to attend a national event :)

Ryan

Another GE chassis representer (dance)
 

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